Film Room - Debbie Spander

Chad (00:07.755)
Again?

Jasper (00:16.77)
Hey, listener, welcome to another episode of Talent Chasing a podcast that dares to ask the question what sports and the office world have in common. The answer turns out is quite a lot more than you think. Join us as we aim to bring real world stories from the world of sports and athletics to the confines of offices and corporate talent. My name is Jasper Spanjaart. I'm a journalist and filmmaker.

Brian (00:37.202)
My name is Brian Johnson, former Major League Baseball player and scout.

Chad (00:41.838)
And I'm Chad Sowash, recruitment industry veteran, startup investor. And this episode, kids, it's part of our Film Room series where we break down our favorite parts of big interviews, just like breaking down those big plays in the film room after the game.

Jasper (00:58.444)
Yeah. So this podcast, we had a great interview with Debbie Spander, who's a great sports agent. Yeah. He was that good. Yeah. just sort of spiffing all over. And that was a really good interview to be fair. And we do these sort of series to, well, if you don't fancy listening to the 50 minute thing of us rambling and Debbie giving us great answers. do, they should, technically they should, but I know they won't.

Chad (01:05.678)
You

It was just that good. Yeah.

Chad (01:22.914)
Well, they should. They should. Yeah. They should.

Jasper (01:26.604)
because people have gotten the attention span that is shorter than goldfish net generally. So, myself included anyway. yeah, I know I'm doing a great job of, yeah, sorry, Brian. I know, but it was a great interview. She delved into all types of things about being an, sort of being a sports agent, but not just being a sports agent, helping these athletes transition to their next careers. Right. so we we've got soundbites lined up, and let's just play mine first.

Chad (01:30.23)
You

Brian (01:33.566)
to embrace the way to embrace the audience, Jasper.

Chad (01:36.12)
Yeah.

Jesus.

Chad (02:05.464)
Seems very Jasper, by the way.

Chad (02:57.186)
I think it's funny that the Gen Z on the show picks, picks, sure you are, yeah, picks the, picks the work life balance. I like that, yeah, that's good.

Jasper (03:01.134)
I'm a millennial, mate.

No, yeah, no, but, no, but I want to use that, that quote that she uses. because I think in the world of high performance and in business in the sports, we've been sold this sort of toxic narrative that grinding 24 seven is the path to success. Right. to me, that's complete nonsense. Like the real champions, the one who really are able to, to, you know, move the needle, so to speak, you know, they understand that recovery is just as critical as that hustle. Right.

You know, think about these elite athletes. just like Brian, for example, Brian didn't train like 24 seven working on a swing. Well, maybe he did because he was a, well, he's a decent hitter, but, no, but like they, you need that time to recover. need nutrition, you need mental conditioning. and why would knowledge workers or any words of any kind be any different? So, I think it's, it's something to talk about. and yeah, sure. There's the.

stigma, there's Gen Z and the millennials coming at us with the, war of mental health. but it is, I think, you know, I speak to a lot of entrepreneurs, for, for my other job, because I don't just do this podcast and that's all I do. and, and, and you can sense that they struggle with that. There's a lot of entrepreneurs struggling with that, you know, how to maintain a grip on their mental health, making sure they see their family, see their children, see their, partners.

Chad (04:04.846)
You

Jasper (04:30.514)
and not just work 24 seven or, know, the, the, the, wipes watching something on Netflix and you're still on the laptop trying to figure out, know, what's your next business move? because you're going to get burned out.

Brian (04:43.548)
Yeah. And in that, that balance piece that, that, you know, is so talked about nowadays is that, you know, we, we forget, not we forget, but it's, it's overlooked that what does it Happy wife is a happy life, happy spouse. If your personal life is jacked up, you're not going to be very productive at work. I don't care who you are. And, I think that gets overlooked because it, you know, people kind of.

Chad (04:58.882)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Jasper (05:04.654)
and

Brian (05:09.864)
pooh-pooh the mental health piece and get tired of talking about over time. But they realize you better take care of home in order for you to get the most production out of what the goals you're trying to meet in your business life. And I think you're right. It's crucial.

Chad (05:22.862)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (05:28.056)
Well, I was giving you a hard time about Gen Z, but to be quite frank, you guys are just smarter than Gen X. I mean, our dumbasses bought into the whole, gotta work your asses off. You gotta sleep at the office. You gotta do all this kind of shit, right? I mean, so we bought into it, and you guys were smart enough, or at least we were smart enough to help raise you in understanding that, you you shouldn't be...

Jasper (05:30.988)
You usually do, yeah.

Brian (05:33.47)
Mm-hmm.

Jasper (05:37.134)
you

Jasper (05:41.966)
Hmm.

Chad (05:53.87)
living to work, you should be working to live, right? And I think one of the reasons why I love Europe is just that. going back to kind of like another player analogy, Jim Courier, who was number one tennis player in the world for a few years. During that time, I mean, he won Australian Open, French Open, Wimbledon, US Open. Now that's from 91 to 93, OK? 91 to 93.

Jasper (06:18.785)
Okay.

Chad (06:21.218)
He did nothing but tennis during that timeframe. He could, he stopped, he burnt out as a professional player. So you talk about some of those professional players to be able to be number one in the world. What do you have to do? That's what Jim Courier had to do, right? And he burnt out. We take a look at the business world. You can't do that because when you do burn out, you leave, right? You leave the job.

Jasper (06:27.458)
Hmm.

Jasper (06:36.898)
Yeah.

Chad (06:48.666)
You get fired because you're burnout. mean, so there are so many different ramifications and burnout leads to attrition, leads to loss. And again, just getting back to the top of that circle, Gen Z is getting it right. We're the ones who did not get it right.

Jasper (07:08.48)
Yeah, and y-yeah, go on.

Brian (07:08.742)
And it's, I'm sorry, Jasper, and especially in the business world, because there are no seasons for a CEO. There are no seasons for the district manager, whatever it might be. So the burnout is going to happen quicker and it's going to be more devastating because there's no opportunity to change gears.

Chad (07:14.114)
Nope.

Jasper (07:14.283)
Exactly, yeah.

Chad (07:22.894)
Mm-hmm.

Jasper (07:26.478)
And I think the biggest misconception that we obviously look for lessons that we can use from sport in business and vice versa. think the biggest metaphor for me is the fact that, you know, an athlete is realistically only going to perform until they're 35, 36. So you have, okay, you have like, say you have 16 professional years all geared up and that's the only thing you think about. Well, that's okay. But like you just said, a CEO is not going to work until they're 36. Because if you're an entrepreneur and even if you're filthy rich,

you're still going to have a desire to want to work, to want to improve. So you're going to work until you're 65, 66. And if you do that with the same mentality that you had when you were 28, no chance.

Chad (08:07.806)
And let's make a big distinction here. Working hard as a CEO looks entirely different than working hard as somebody who's on the line or who's somebody that is middle of the road management or what have you. So, yeah, mean, taking your private jet to that meeting versus having to fly coach, that's an entirely different experience, right? So being able to...

Jasper (08:16.302)
Hmm.

Chad (08:36.634)
to be again on that ivory tower. I don't look at the CEOs when we talk about burnout. I look about everybody else, the people who are actually making the money for the organization. And that's what we should be doing as leaders is we should be looking to ensure again, to mentor them and to take a look at their mental health. And I go back to my military background, you know, all the good leaders knew

Jasper (08:43.766)
Yeah, yeah,

Hmm.

Chad (09:04.844)
who, and I was in the infantry and when, back when I was in the infantry, it was only men. So, we knew what the spouse's names were, what their wives' names were. We knew about the kids, knew about all of that because we knew that if something wasn't right at home, it was gonna affect that individual on the battlefield. And that would infect the rest of and impact the rest of the individuals that are to the right or left.

Jasper (09:25.422)
Absolutely, yeah.

Chad (09:33.554)
of that person. Now, understand that, you know, we're not asking anybody, you might, if you're in the military being asked to prospectively die for your country, nobody's asking somebody to die for their company. I totally get that. But mindset means a lot and being a good leader means that you actually give a shit. You're empathetic and you care about your people.

Jasper (09:45.486)
Thanks

Jasper (09:55.288)
So let me pose another question to you because there's been much to do about the fourth day, four day work week, especially here in Europe. There's a few companies here trying to experimenting it here in the Netherlands and I know in a few, a few other countries too. Does that fit with the American dream and the American way of doing business?

Chad (10:05.772)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Chad (10:14.508)
I mean, personally, when it comes down to what you do in work, there are objectives that you need to get done. And some people can do those in 20 hours and some need 40. It is what it is, right? So if you are working a specific job and it only takes you half of the week to get it done and the rest of the time is yours, you're getting paid to finish that objective, that project, right? So that's where I think we've

Jasper (10:25.314)
Yeah, that simple.

Chad (10:42.718)
once again, we've bought into and as Gen Xers and obviously boomers in the greatest generation, we got into this 40 hour work week because it was a punch in the clock and they were on manufacturing lines. Well, that's not what we do in many cases anymore, right? So when you were set to actually figure something out, and this is one of the things that I would do is I would look for shortcuts to be able to get work done and

Jasper (10:52.845)
Hmm.

Chad (11:08.866)
People might call it cheating, didn't matter. I got my shit done, I got the objectives completed, and I was good to go. So I think we need to start looking at time differently with regard to work. It has nothing to do with time. It has to do with objectives and being able to meet those objectives.

Brian (11:29.406)
Yeah, I'd say we're definitely playing with it also here in the United States, the four day work week. it comes down to, there's not a whole lot of stuff that's done well on Friday anyway. No new projects are started on Friday. There's not a whole, everybody just kind of, you know, weathers the storm on Friday until it gets to the weekend. So, you know, in anticipation of that, and like you said, Chad, the 40 hour work week was just kind of a random number anyway.

Jasper (11:41.358)
You

Brian (11:55.804)
When we were when we had no option, we were confined to one one particular industry. It's just kind of outdated. It makes no it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't line up with reality as Chad said. So I think eventually we're to get there from what I'm hearing from other business leaders in my work. Maybe not next year, but it's coming.

Chad (12:21.698)
Well, let's go ahead and jump into the next one. Brian, are you ready?

Brian (12:26.396)
Yeah, let's play that up.

Chad (12:28.174)
Here we go.

Brian (14:32.402)
Yeah, there's so many good things in there. I really liked that clip. I think the last part first, I think the 10,000 hours is something that really doesn't get talked about enough as far as transitioning from different careers. Just because I say this all the time, just because you're really good at one thing does not mean you're going to be really good in another thing. That just happens no matter what industry you're in, no matter what sport you played.

Jasper (14:34.798)
Hmm

Chad (14:44.461)
Mm-hmm.

Brian (14:58.43)
and it's tough and, I'm so glad I didn't even know. So Debbie and I, we really weren't in necessarily close contact for a long time. I didn't know that she did that kind of stuff because that period when you are a professional athlete and you, transit transition out. It's a, there's a couple of lost years in there and that you just don't know what to do and you're spinning your wheels. You don't know what there is. The media piece was not as big when I was playing. I definitely would have been all over that, but I did everything I could during my

Chad (15:23.875)
Mm-hmm.

Jasper (15:24.014)
Hmm.

Brian (15:27.806)
career to build relationships, to think of other things. I was going to go to law school when I was done. had all my letters of recommendation lined up. I had everything together, but when it actually happened, I was like, wait a second, I'm a new dad. I've been away from my wife for the last 12 years, eight months out of the year. Somehow we're still together. The last thing in the world I wanted to do is go get married to the University of Michigan Law School or whatever it may be.

Chad (15:54.754)
Yeah, yeah.

Brian (15:55.762)
The fact that she fills that space with guidance and expertise is amazing.

Jasper (16:01.836)
No, agree. think it's amazing because it's you. But the only thing I do think is that there's more than media. There's more in these. You see the examples of the JJ Reddick that she mentioned. Obviously I listened to this podcast quite a lot and it's, was great during his playing years because he, you could just get his sense on how he played the game and how he interacted with these guys as he was playing against them. And it was, it was great. It worked really well. But at the same time, there's plenty of athletes out there.

that are not quite able to do that media thing, right? Just because they're great at football, they're great at baseball, whatever sport doesn't mean that it has to translate to being able to be a color commentator or being able to do your own podcast like Brian Johnson does in a very spectacular way. There's a feather for your cat, mate. No, but it's like, the only issue I have is not an issue, but what do we do with the rest of them?

Like what do we do with all the athletes out there that are not able to do the media stuff afterwards?

Brian (17:02.386)
Well, and that's a great point too, because not everybody made the money that LeBron makes, right? Not everybody. There's only like, that's only the top 5 % that make the big money. You know, I made money. I'm not, you know, but it wasn't, it was for a very short period of time. It wasn't that much money, you know? So, so you got to live for the next 40 years. So you can't really, there's very few people that could just live and never work again.

Chad (17:10.807)
Right.

Chad (17:23.448)
Mm-hmm.

Brian (17:29.37)
on the money they made while they're playing. So they have to transition out. And that's a great point. cause I would have liked what I enjoy observing from afar is like Shaq or like Michael Jordan doing the business stuff. You know, Shaq having a bunch of different food places in it. There's a few other place guys that I read about the other day that have that franchises, know, different pizza franchises or food franchises or some other type of franchise.

Jasper (17:39.438)
Mm.

Yeah.

Brian (17:56.38)
But the issue there is that you got to make big money while you're playing to buy into those. So to your question, Jasper, what happens to the majority, the 75 % of guys and women, especially women that weren't able to make big money that the guys have been able to make, but even within the guys like me that didn't make the big, big money, the hundreds of millions of dollars or getting into that.

Jasper (18:00.952)
Yeah.

Chad (18:01.077)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Brian (18:22.238)
What do do with the next 40? Everything's been devoted for the first 30 years of your life to one thing. And that one thing is no longer useful. What do you do to find the next thing? And how do you manage that?

Jasper (18:35.394)
Yeah, I think it could also be perceived as sort of a weakness, right? If you're a 26 year old in AAA and you haven't broken through to the next level. it's, I think you'd almost be, it would be perceived as you're not focusing entirely on your career if you're already thinking, okay, what's next for me? Because realistically, there's a very slim chance to get to the top. You'll stay there for a few years and you're going to make enough money to sit back in the Bermuda's and just do nothing but drink beer.

Chad (18:35.405)
Yeah.

Jasper (19:02.454)
It'd be great for them if it did, but for the majority that clearly doesn't work. you know, it's, feel like there's still a gap there that needs to be filled somehow.

Brian (19:12.732)
And in baseball and football, well, baseball in particular, the draft used to be 40 and 50 rounds. And already there, you're less than 2 % chance of making it. Now it's down to 20 rounds. And they've gotten rid of certain, they've gotten rid of a minor league team per organization. So the chance of you making it in baseball, at least, to the major leagues now, getting drafted first, and then making it to the major leagues now is like getting hit by lightning.

Chad (19:19.17)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Jasper (19:24.174)
Yeah.

Chad (19:41.006)
It's amazing. Well, and you take a look at Europe. As I come over here and I get a chance to actually get really immersed into the European lifestyle, in the US, how many major league baseball teams are there, Brian?

Jasper (19:51.022)
Mm-hmm.

Jasper (19:55.982)
32 right?

Brian (19:58.046)
Yeah. Here or, 32. Yep.

Chad (19:59.126)
Yeah, okay. So here in the little country of Portugal, which is the size of Indiana, okay, they have 18 pro teams, right? 18 pro teams, that's level one. They also have 18 in level two. Then you go to Spain, they've got their own, they've got 20 pro teams, right?

Again, going from state to state. here in Europe, I mean, there's just so much more, which is interesting when we say, well, why can't the US compete like you and what we call soccer? Many different reasons. But you would think the talent pool here would be even harder for them to find jobs because there are so many more. And just for the record, Jasper, Debbie called it football, not fucha ball, OK?

Jasper (20:51.992)
That inside joke is just going to live forever, isn't it?

Chad (20:53.038)
Inside joke. Yes. Yes. Inside joke. That's not how we say it, Jasper. But anyway, to you, Brian, I mean, what we're actually seeing in the industry today for just people out in the business world, they see AI and automation coming in, right? So they've got to think of what do do next in some cases, right? Because some of these jobs will be taken. It's how it works, right? The loom comes around. You need less weavers.

Jasper (21:08.526)
Hmm.

Chad (21:22.412)
You know, the car comes around, you don't need carriage drivers. This is how evolution happens. This is how innovation, it doesn't just take jobs, it creates jobs. But what kind of anxiety did you have? You said those lost years that you had. What kind of anxiety did you have when you were going through that process and how did that drive you?

Brian (21:43.294)
Yeah, it's interesting because you, so mind you, I was working in the diversity consulting, which I do today. I was doing that since my, my rookie year in the big leagues. So I had already been doing that for a while, but specifically to doing something for a while. but specifically to your question, the, the, the last year is probably two years where I was just, you know, we're having a second kid and not really sure what I want to do. That's the key.

Chad (21:50.254)
Mm-hmm.

Jasper (21:57.026)
Really? Okay.

Chad (22:09.72)
Mm-hmm.

Brian (22:10.87)
What do I, because I'm doing something I'm passionate about that loved, could do every day all day for free. And now I transition out of that. So it's now what can I do? I can drive a bus. can, so you start breaking it down to really easy things that you can do. But then it's like, okay, what would I really want to do and what can I train to learn how to do? and so on. So you kind of go through that whole process, but there's a part of you dies. when, when you.

Chad (22:16.974)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (22:31.928)
Yeah.

Brian (22:39.858)
retire from sports, right? Because this has been your identity, it's been your thing. And so a part of you dies that won't come back. Because everybody else can do their job till they're 40 and 50 years old, most industries. Where ours, I was 33 and I was out. There was nothing more that the game was going to do for me. so, yeah, it just took a while. It wasn't like debilitating. It wasn't like something that you can never get out of.

Chad (22:41.325)
I bet.

Mm-hmm.

Chad (22:50.922)
Maybe. Yeah.

Chad (22:59.404)
Mm-hmm.

Brian (23:07.622)
And I'm sure many people go through things much more difficult, but it's just kind of a malaise that's hard to get rid of.

Chad (23:15.694)
Like a feeling of loss to some extent, I would assume.

Brian (23:18.578)
Yeah, yeah, cuz even though I had already got my college degree, I got my degree so I wouldn't have to go through this. I built relationships while I was playing so I wouldn't have to go through this. I had a job, I worked in the off season so I wouldn't have to go through that. And here yet again, I went through it anyway.

Jasper (23:27.15)
Hmm.

Jasper (23:38.06)
Yeah, so it's like you can prepare all you want, once that final contract is gone, you're still going to hit you.

Brian (23:44.604)
Yeah, who said that? Yeah, you can prepare all you want, but once you get hit in the face, everything changes. Yeah.

Chad (23:49.902)
Yeah. I think it was Mike Tyson. Yeah. You can have a plan all you want to get hit in the face, which he obviously did this last weekend. I know it looked like a WWE or WF match or something like that.

Jasper (23:51.386)
Yeah, what do you tell us in here? Yep.

Brian (23:57.298)
Hahaha,

Jasper (23:57.966)
Well, the script said, yeah. Let's not delve into that.

No, WWE matches look far more realistic than that. Yeah.

Brian (24:07.101)
Yeah.

Chad (24:10.318)
It was pretty bad.

Brian (24:10.386)
Yeah, that was embarrassing. And I saw that Tyson apologized to the boxing world, which he should have. But anyway.

Jasper (24:17.214)
Yeah, I will.

Chad (24:18.734)
Well, that being said, we're gonna go ahead and I'm gonna jump into my clip. This is the last clip and it's really focused on identifying talent and side hustles. So here we go.

Jasper (24:19.694)
You

Chad (25:34.616)
So for me, it's pretty amazing. I've actually seen and I enjoy any Agars content on TikTok. I've seen it a ton of times. And then I found out that Debbie actually represents Annie. And so to hear that story and how she actually got there, how she parlayed her time at a local news station into actually just being on camera a different way. two things here, first and foremost, Debbie.

Jasper (25:41.326)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (26:03.446)
was able to identify talent, right? She was able to actually take a look and see with this TikTok that made it viral. And then obviously she's able to identify talent. That's number one. And that's one of the things that we have to do, obviously, on the corporate side to be able to look for great talent, to be able to fill great holes in our organization. The thing about Annie, though, is that

Jasper (26:06.06)
Yeah, clearly.

Chad (26:32.774)
To me, this is kind of like my own story where we started the chat and cheese podcast, literally as a branding mechanism. But I was watching the market. Now I did have a radio background that was way back in the day, but I was watching the market with podcasts and I saw what was happening. So I pushed my buddy into doing a podcast. We were doing that as a side hustle.

Jasper (27:01.772)
Yeah.

Chad (27:02.36)
for our day jobs. That side hustle turned into our full-time job as podcasters and talking on stage and those types of things. And my message here is that if you're paying attention and you're watching what's happening, and as we just talked about AI and automation taking over, instead of having anxiety about it, look to see where the needs of the community are and then see what you can do to

meet those needs, whether it's going to nursing school, whether it's going to, you know, be becoming a plumber or something of that nature for God's sakes. But there are great opportunities that are still out there. There really are. And you'll laugh about the plumber thing, but it is harder than hell to find a plumber in the US nowadays.

Jasper (27:45.087)
No!

No, it's the same in Europe. had a leak in the bathroom. Absolutely impossible to find one. Absolutely. The first guy I called, was like, yeah, I've got a spot for you in five and a half months. I'm like, yeah, buddy, that's not going to work.

Chad (27:53.922)
It's

Chad (27:59.48)
Yeah.

Brian (27:59.651)
Yeah

Chad (28:02.134)
Yeah, yeah. So anyway, identifying talent really big, but then also keeping your eyes open, whether you think your job is in trouble or not. Right. Joel, my podcast buddy, his company was fine. My company was fine. The thing was the podcast we were both really passionate about and we put a lot of energy in that. If you take a look at the market, you pay attention

Right? You're not just punching the clock and going home. You got it. You got a much better opportunity.

Brian (28:44.35)
I'm sorry, Jas, you're gonna go?

Chad (28:44.396)
No comments? Are we good?

Jasper (28:46.264)
Yeah, adapt or die. you wanted to say anything else, Brian? There's no way we can follow chat after that. That was just mic drop moment.

Brian (28:53.276)
Yeah, I think that was really good.

Yeah.

Chad (28:57.0)
You're both being lazy right now, okay?

Jasper (28:58.734)
I'm going be...

Jasper (29:03.19)
No, think, think literally there's not much to add. think you find something you're passionate about and you go for it. think it's, and yeah, being self-aware and being, cause I'm, I'm a journalist, right? So, people went to me, AI is going to take over your job. No, I'm going to embrace AI to do my job better and more efficient and do the stuff I like versus not doing like, I don't need to do manual transcriptions every day. That is a great advantage for me. That is a great help because if, if I had to do that.

Chad (29:20.11)
Yes.

Jasper (29:31.342)
And that saves me two hours with an AI tool. Use it to make your job better and more efficient. You can get more stuff done. You can be done a bit earlier, maybe in the day. can go towards a three-day work week, a two-day work week. No, I'm just kidding. if you're an entrepreneur, you're always going to keep working. yeah, just use it to your advantage. And don't let technology worry you in the sense that, yeah, if you know that the

Chad (29:34.125)
Yeah.

Chad (29:42.552)
Keep going.

Brian (29:47.953)
Yeah

Jasper (30:00.044)
One of the best comparisons I heard is the fact that when, you know, electricity was invented, there were a few people called light. What were they called? The guys who used to put on the lights in the lamps. Brian helped me out. You're from an earlier age than me.

Chad (30:10.894)
I'm gonna set the door, I'll be back.

Brian (30:15.262)
Yeah, that's a little earlier than my record goes back to though. But yeah, I was thinking with Chad, how he's talking about, you know, paying attention, like paying attention to the market, looking, being able look down the road, paying attention to how things are going and where things are going. But it's also paying attention to your interests and where they lie and what you'd be interested in getting into and how you can adjust. I think we underestimate sometimes how

Jasper (30:16.566)
Bye.

Brian (30:43.614)
capable we are as human beings of finding something else that we are interested or finding something else we're good. We just got to practice it. Just got to practice, coach a lot of young kids during my coaching time and really encouraging kids just, you can do anything if you just put your time into it and get some repetitions in and it can work.

Jasper (30:45.602)
Yeah.

Jasper (31:06.57)
Yeah. And I know we said it before on this podcast, like practice till you can't get it wrong anymore. It's all about practice and so much about that practice, the easiest things do the basics well, and then just, never know. And I'm, for me, it's, it's like, you get to a point where you, if you were to pick up a baseball bat right now, Brian, would you, would you still be able to swing it pretty good? Or would you need, you know, 20 repetitions to get you back into it? Or how long does that take you to get back to doing something like that?

Chad (31:10.286)
checking her phone.

Brian (31:11.228)
Yeah, that's right. Practice the easy things, right? Yeah.

Brian (31:34.032)
yeah, mean, I used to hit a little bit with my son from time to again. Number one, even 20 swings wouldn't do it because my body would ache. My knee, I got a bad knee, you know, so yeah, so physically, mentally I could do it. Physically it's a little bit more of a challenge, yeah.

Jasper (31:43.566)
You're old! you're a catcher, so that makes sense.

That's, but that's it though, isn't it? Yeah. But also like for me, cause I used to play football every week, every week for, for many, many years. So the basics were always there. And then I didn't probably, probably didn't do it for, for about a year or so. And I was invited to do some sort of a pickup game and I was like, yeah, sure. I'll join and got my football boots ready. You know, I'm ready to go. thought and mentally I could do it.

Mentally, I could see, okay, this is where that pass needs to go. This is where, okay, I need to control the ball this way. I need to do this, get some space here, fight the space here. Mentally sharp as a fiddle. Physically not able to do it. Just the simple sort of things that you're always able to do, like the things that are second nature. And now it just, it was just gone. And I was, I was what? 26, 27. There you go. I'm still young. I should be able to do this, but it's just lacking that.

Chad (32:38.734)
Okay.

Jasper (32:51.126)
I think sharpness and the way you interact with your feet and the way you're able to move around, it changes.

Brian (32:58.59)
It does change.

Glad you could make a chat. Good to have you back.

Chad (33:01.816)
So you guys just chit chat, chit chatting? Okay, that's good. We'll just, yeah, Trisha just cut all that out. I'm gonna go ahead and. Thanks Trisha. He's awesome, okay.

Jasper (33:04.96)
Yeah, we're just chit chatting.

Brian (33:10.28)
Great. Thanks Trisha. Hope you had a good time here in Michigan. Sorry, I was a loser. I wasn't able to come over there.

Jasper (33:12.44)
Thanks, Ryd.

Jasper (33:16.118)
Yeah.

Chad (33:19.63)
Yeah, she'll be fine. All right, she's coming to Portugal soon. She'll be fine. Yeah, she's gonna be here for Christmas and we're going to Marbella, Spain for New Year's. She'll be fine, she'll be fine. All right, well, listener, thanks for joining us on this film room session. Look for more amazing interviews and play-by-play breakdowns coming to your favorite podcast platform soon. Make sure you're subscribed to Talent Chasing. Thanks, guys. Have a good one.

Brian (33:24.331)
sweet.

Jasper (33:30.601)
Ooooo, that's nice.

Jasper (33:49.71)
See you later.

Chad (33:50.573)
Fooochebol!