Chasing Jasper Spanjaart

Brian Johnson (00:16.458)
Hey, listener, welcome to Talent Chasing, where we bring real world stories from the fields, courts and pitches of Major League sports and offices of corporate talent. It's our job to amplify those hidden stories in finding, retaining and motivating the best talent in the world, because we all know no team exists anywhere without great talent. My name is Brian Johnson. I'm a former Major League Baseball player and scout.

Jasper (00:42.952)
I'm Jasper Spangiot, I'm a journalist and filmmaker.

Chad (00:51.079)
And I'm Chad Sowash, Recruitment Industry veteran. Welcome to episode number two, Chasing Jasper.

Brian Johnson (00:54.922)
In this episode, in the first episode, we delved into my story, which was a kid with a dream that persevered, had successes, had some failures, but was touched by several different people and acts of kindness along the way. Then that dream became a reality. Now it's time to delve into the story of the guy who brought all of us together for this podcast.

Jasper (01:19.639)
Guilty man.

Chad (01:23.699)
Yeah. So we thought, we thought we'd do an introductory episode for, for each of us. So you get to know all of us at least. Right. So who are we? Who are we? Who's Jasper? That's the question. Who is Jasper? So where did all of this start Jasper? And I don't mean about mom and dad. I don't, we don't need to hear the conception story. Okay. Let's, let's go, let's go beyond that. So, so, so where, where did this start? Where, where did you, where were you born? Grew up.

Brian Johnson (01:40.284)
Hahaha

Jasper (01:51.087)
That's about six questions there, Chad. Well, born in 1995, so that makes me, it was my birthday last week, so yeah, 29 now. Yeah, I was born in the south of Holland, a small village. We moved to a bigger, slightly bigger city because my dad got a job there. Interestingly, you know, if my dad's from the middle of Holland, my mum's from the south, they sort of met in the middle. Well, my dad got a job as an English teacher and then...

Chad (01:52.315)
sports, that kind of stuff. Give us a little background about you.

I always do that.

Chad (02:02.763)
Jesus. Oh, wow.

Jasper (02:20.407)
pretty much went on from there. Grew up in a really nice household. Was always one of the smart kids in school. Yeah, I mean, it's tough to say exactly, to give you a full background story on it, but if you come up with some... I mean, yeah, I mean, let's just put that right on the table. Yeah, I'm a bit of a nerd. I don't shy away from that.

Chad (02:27.082)
Mm-hmm.

Brian Johnson (02:37.343)
Yeah

Chad (02:39.959)
So you are a nerd, so we can ask the nerd. When we hear...

Chad (02:48.171)
So, but Holland, okay, it's always, there are so many different terminologies like the dock region in Europe and dumb Americans are like, what the hell are they talking about? So Holland versus the Netherlands, what is, are they the same, are they exactly the same, what's the difference? Okay, yeah.

Jasper (03:01.891)
I mean, they're used interchangeably, right? Holland is actually, so we've got South Holland, which is a province here as well. So, but Holland has always been around. I use them interchangeably. I don't really care. Some people get sort of fussed up about it because they're like, it's not Holland, it's the Netherlands. And I'm like, why should I care one bit what it's called? Yeah, but I mean, it's a flat country. In French, it's called the paie-barre. So it means flat country. It is just flat everywhere, everywhere you look.

Brian Johnson (03:16.812)
Hahaha!

Chad (03:19.41)
Hahaha!

Chad (03:24.736)
Oh yeah.

Jasper (03:33.093)
Yeah, well, it makes it slightly easier than some Italian mountains for sure. Yeah, I mean, it's why we cycle, it's why we cycle through the rain, through the cold, through the winds, we don't care, we'll get on our bike. It's a mentality, but it's part of the country's DNA for sure.

Chad (03:36.247)
Is that why everybody cycles everywhere? Cause I mean.

Chad (03:42.12)
Yeah?

Brian Johnson (03:43.83)
Hahaha.

Jasper (03:52.886)
Kenya right Brian?

Chad (03:53.023)
Well, we'll dig a little bit more into you in a minute, but Brian just got back from Kenya. And I want to touch on this. What were you doing in Kenya, Brian?

Brian Johnson (03:58.838)
So we went to Nairobi, Kenya, in the eastern part of the country. And it was a medical missions trip. My wife is a physician. We had another physician on our team. We had an EMT. We had two nurses. We had a seamstress and even a scientist. So we went with a person who had been there four times. So the idea was to build a relationship with one region, with one area, with a.

Chad (04:19.669)
Uh-huh.

Brian Johnson (04:27.522)
two companies in surrounding areas. So instead of doing the touristy thing by dropping in, doing safari and then taking off, it's a sustained effort to build relationships and really try to help folks there with needs that they may have. So you got to get to know them first in order to be able to assess what needs you can provide. And so this is this is part of that process with that. So it was a medical missions trip. So Bible based, God based, not that we were shoving the Bible down people's throats.

Jasper (04:33.89)
Yeah.

Jasper (04:45.664)
Absolutely.

Brian Johnson (04:56.534)
We were trying to serve as Jesus would with kindness and compassion, and doing that in support of other human beings. So that was the whole purpose of the trip.

Jasper (05:09.454)
How did you get involved in doing that?

Brian Johnson (05:12.09)
So my wife knew the woman here that has done the head, that has kind of organized the trips for four years. She goes to a church that we don't go to, but we know each other. And our churches work in partnership for different, like feeding the community. We feed a lot of homeless folks, the two of us churches combined together as well as other programs. So by word of mouth, my wife and Pam is the woman that organized this. Pam Bell is her name.

Jasper (05:22.368)
Okay.

Chad (05:24.052)
Mm-hmm.

Brian Johnson (05:39.79)
And so they got to talking, putting something together. My wife was like, hey, can my husband come? And she was like, it's all women. There's seven women. So it was not really a role for him. But over time they developed to, hey, you can fit here. Hey, what if he did that? Hey, he could do this, he could do that. So I did like six different roles. Like I did blood pressure. I did kind of the flow of the clinic.

Jasper (05:45.832)
Hahaha

Jasper (05:53.815)
Okay.

Jasper (06:08.771)
You played everywhere. Just... What? Plug and play, yeah. The ultimate utility, man.

Brian Johnson (06:09.802)
Hey, there we go. There's the connection. That's right. Yeah. And then, master of none and decent at one or two. Yeah. So what I did was many of those things. And then also, which is really cool, the company that we work with, it's a company called WorldServe International. Their whole focus is on getting water for folks in...

Chad (06:10.859)
It's like your college career. You played every position.

Jasper (06:19.889)
Hahaha, your words man!

Chad (06:28.375)
So, so, go ahead.

Brian Johnson (06:38.862)
throughout the whole country of Africa. So they dig, they got these four big giant trucks with equipment and big giant drill. And so they drill hundreds of meters into the ground, sometimes hundreds, sometimes less, in order to find water in remote places, way out in the boonies, the way out in the bush. And so I got to work, not work, I got to shadow and learn from this group of five guys on the team. Delta II was the team that I was on.

Jasper (06:40.907)
Okay.

Chad (07:02.166)
Mm.

Brian Johnson (07:08.438)
And so we were in a remote area way out in the boonies over by Tanzania, which was south from where south of where we were. And and so it took us a couple of days, but we found water. And the company World Server National, they work on geological reports from a US company that shows them how the earth is formed there, where the water is, how where they got to dig, how they got to do to get there, just a fascinating process. And so they hit water while I was there.

Chad (07:18.643)
Nice. Yeah.

Brian Johnson (07:38.246)
They've done 100 different wells in three years. They've had 10 failures in 100 wells. So that's pretty good, pretty good ratio. And so the one that they were got there was right in the middle of the Masai tribe is kind of their area. And they were very grateful and very courteous people. And just amazing experience altogether to really see water which provides life for folks to see that happen. And that one well could serve up to 20 or 30,000 people.

Jasper (07:44.995)
Wow. Yeah.

Chad (07:46.423)
Wow.

Chad (07:49.975)
Yeah? Yeah.

Jasper (08:06.947)
Oh.

Brian Johnson (08:09.654)
Hahaha

Chad (08:12.271)
Wow, yeah, while Brian's trying to save the world, right? I'm in Vegas for a week, and then I go to Amsterdam for a week, right? Yeah, yeah, we don't have to go through what I did, okay? Just saying, I was in Vegas and in Amsterdam. We did have dinner though, Jasper, so it was good to meet Renee, who actually, if you're looking at talent-chasing on any of the platforms out there, the awesome cover art was done by Renee, so she's...

Jasper (08:14.047)
Yeah, what did you do, Chad? Yeah.

Jasper (08:19.351)
Hahaha

Jasper (08:24.724)
It was very nice.

Jasper (08:35.199)
Yeah, you have a full credit, yeah.

Brian Johnson (08:35.398)
right? Had you all met before in person?

Jasper (08:40.117)
No, not right now, yeah.

Chad (08:41.567)
Big props, props there. Not Renee, met Jasper. Jasper and I met, uh, what about a year and a half or so ago, face to face in, in Belgium.

Jasper (08:45.855)
Yep, something like that. Yep.

Brian Johnson (08:52.484)
Very good. I see I was kind of left out of that meeting, so I won't take it personally. I'll wait patiently. I'll wait patiently for my invitation for the next one.

Chad (08:56.572)
One of those things. Let's dig.

Jasper (08:57.129)
You're in Kenya saving the world. You are saving the world.

Chad (09:00.735)
Ha ha

Chad (09:06.916)
Oh, yeah. I didn't, didn't have the heart to ask you to, to leave, saving the world to go to Vegas and then go to Amsterdam. Just, I didn't have it in my heart.

Jasper (09:08.467)
Yeah, come and have dinner with us Brian. Yeah, forget about Africa, yeah.

Brian Johnson (09:12.298)
Yes, yes, yeah, I'm so much above you all. I look down my nose on you and say, oh, yes, yes. Jasper!

Jasper (09:18.807)
Hehehehe

Jasper (09:22.343)
Oh, please do. Yeah.

Chad (09:25.067)
well that being said let's get back to jasper uh... is that so grew up grew up we can have an idea of what holland is now nobody cares uh...

Brian Johnson (09:29.877)
I care. And I care that the French took time out to make sure everybody knew that it was flat.

Jasper (09:36.027)
Yeah, it's true. Yeah, it's just the French people, right? Always thinking they're better than us. Yeah.

Brian Johnson (09:40.69)
Right. I mean, you know, who takes time to think of that and to nickname something that way? Right.

Chad (09:41.079)
I

Jasper (09:45.047)
I know, only the French, yeah.

Chad (09:48.907)
Uh, only the French, only the French. So, so, so keep at it. You born raised what high school? I mean, what, what did, when you got into sports, you were fairly early, right? When you got into sports, um,

Jasper (09:56.779)
Yeah, true. Yeah. I mean, I must've been like, uh, I mean, they, my parents usually make the joke. I was sort of born with a ball at my feet. Well, literally because that's one of the first presents I ever got from my grandparents. So I got a ball, so they decided I was going to be a footballer. So, um, but I just, I just loved football at a very early age. Um, I absolutely adored it. Like I could just spend, if you just gave me a ball and you gave me a grass pitch to play on.

I would be satisfied for the rest of the day. Like I would try to mimic what I saw like growing up. Like I loved our holidays to England. So my dad was actually an English teacher. So that meant we'd go to England about four or five times a year. So every holiday, every opportunity we had, like they would ask us like, where do you wanna go? And we were always answer the same thing. We wanna go to England. And we went camping there usually, which meant like big fields. So again, give me a big field, give me a ball and I'll be happy.

Chad (10:50.149)
Uh huh.

Jasper (10:52.487)
So that was usually the case my as soon as we got to a place in the UK my My mom and dad would set up the tent and I was just like, oh, there's a football there You just run off and play your football. So Yeah, that was that's the lucky memories I have of my childhood just running around on all these different fields around Europe just playing football I still love the game today. I stopped playing about 16 15 16 But I played organized

football for a very long time. I think I started around five or six years old and played for about 10 years. So yeah, I still love the game today. Unfortunately, don't play anymore. But yeah, football is a big part of it. Yeah, favorite team. I loved English football growing up. So Newcastle United was my biggest team. But like people can't imagine that now, like the youth, they can just turn on a TV on their laptop and they can watch a game.

Brian Johnson (11:35.138)
So sport, I'm sorry, go ahead.

Chad (11:38.592)
Favorite team?

Jasper (11:50.411)
The first years of following my favorite teams, I had to follow BBC live updates where you got like, it was just text, there was nothing there and I would stay up late at night. If Newcastle wanted to watch Match of the Day on the BBC, that was my youth. I wasn't able to watch those games live. You had to follow just by the information you were getting. But luckily now I'm able to put on a TV and can watch anytime, anywhere I want. I became quite fond of German football in the past few years.

Chad (11:55.509)
Yeah.

Brian Johnson (12:00.138)
Hahaha

Jasper (12:18.347)
So I always sort of pivot towards Newcastle in the Premier League and FC Heidenheim in the Bundesliga. Those are probably my two favourite teams.

Brian Johnson (12:27.522)
Very cool. If anyone is to look at your bio, you see a combination of sports, journalism, and moviemaking. I was kind of curious, and you kind of mentioned a little bit about your dad being in the academic field. Where did all those dreams come about? When did you start thinking about being a writer? Was it along the time that you were on the pitch at the same time? Did it come later, before, after? And then even to that, making movies, where did that come into play?

Jasper (12:35.147)
True. Yeah.

Jasper (12:56.243)
Right, so I need to credit my dad again, because he was also a photographer. So there were always cameras lying around my house. So every holiday we went to, I also, I got a ball to play football and I got a camera just to run around with and like the cheapest one, obviously, because I would break it. Just to take pictures of everything. So I loved photography at a really early age. Like I've got plenty of pictures of that my dad took of me just running around, taking photos of something.

Brian Johnson (13:04.272)
Mmm.

Jasper (13:23.399)
And storytelling wise, I loved football. I knew I wasn't going to be quite good enough. It was also quite clear to me that I didn't love some of the, well, I'm quite a competitive person, but some of the competitive aspects of it. I struggled with coaches in my youth that were just, well, I usually tell the story of a game that we were three and a half time and I've made Ron really bad pass, which nearly resulted in a goal for the opposition team.

And the coach came in at halftime and just completely blasted me in front of everyone. And I was like, well, I actually, I made two assists. I'm having quite a good game. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. My bad on the, on the bad pass, but it, and that just, and then you get into the whole argument, well, you can't speak back to your coach and you can't, well, and I was always a guy that wasn't going to speak up if I saw some type of injustice. And I would also speak up for like teammates that got the same treatment, but I got to a certain point where I got really fed up with that.

But as far as storytelling, I've always been fascinated by stories, just character development in all types of genres. Sports has become sort of my second nature. So I feel like sports is just such a great platform to tell stories because the highs and the lows are measured like nowhere else, right? You can... It's like nowhere else in the world. So...

Yeah, I mean, I love stories and I love sports. So the two sort of naturally came together when I was, well, looking for what on earth, what it was on earth I wanted to do for a living. So I went into a sort of business degree to start with. And funny enough, my mum knew it was the wrong degree for me. But she let me make she let me make my mistake anyway, which I'm grateful for in the end, because I feel like as a kid, you can you can you can try and well.

Brian Johnson (15:06.353)
Hahaha.

Jasper (15:15.115)
prevent your kids from making mistakes. But I'm really fortunate in the sense I have parents who support me fully in whatever I decided I wanted to do. So when I decided I wanted to do that on the end of a sort of, there's a series called The Apprentice in the UK. I don't like the US version so much, wonder why. But in the UK, so I just binged that for an entire summer and I came to the conclusion, well, I wanna be an entrepreneur, I wanna start a business myself.

Brian Johnson (15:29.771)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (15:37.271)
..

Jasper (15:43.495)
Um, turns out I didn't quite want to do that. I do, I, I do feel like I'm a bit of an entrepreneur now, but it's, yeah, it's, it's crazy. It's a lot of work. So, um, made that mistake first, then sought computers for about a year, uh, because I had 18, 19 and you'd something to do. Um, and then, um, I came back to what I probably was going to do anyway. Yes. Study journalism. Um, I feel like that was always going to probably be where I ended up. I just took a slightly different route to get there.

Brian Johnson (15:46.946)
A lot of work.

Jasper (16:13.608)
My brother had also studied journalism. He'd worked in motoring journalism for a few years. So I had a great example there. I knew what the job was. And I, yeah, that was a study I felt far more familiar with and far more comfortable with.

Brian Johnson (16:28.578)
Just one sibling, just you and your brother? Yeah, no, my sister and sister. Mm-hmm.

Jasper (16:30.431)
Yeah, no, my sister also. So I'm the youngest of three, all the brother, all the sister. So plenty of people to look up to.

Chad (16:33.707)
Sounds?

Brian Johnson (16:37.811)
Yeah, awesome.

Chad (16:43.671)
Well, that being said, mentoring wise sounds like dad. Pop was like he was a good mentor, at least a good guide. What coaches or mentors actually got you to where you are today? At almost 30. Ha ha.

Jasper (16:54.275)
Almost 30. Yeah. I've never been one to care much about age though. I think it's just a social construct. Um, but, um, and I, yeah, time just passing. Yeah. Nothing you can do about it too. It's just, it's just going to happen. One day I'm going to be 30 and that's going to be fine too. Um, yeah, rough. Takes one. Yeah. No, but I feel like a lot of that credit has to go to my parents. Like, uh, I, I live close, uh, close to them right now.

Brian Johnson (16:54.759)
Hahaha!

Chad (17:07.136)
No, it's actually time.

Brian Johnson (17:10.326)
Hahaha, rough, it's rough out there, it's rough.

Chad (17:18.463)
Not easy.

Jasper (17:22.831)
And that's a conscious choice as well. I was just there earlier for a cup of tea because they've always been like, I just have such a yeah, I know. I've just I've just such a great relationship with them. And they've sort of trusted me to make all the right decisions and they've supported me and they've they'll back me in whatever way they can. Obviously, because I'm the youngest of three, my sister will say, well, you're getting a bit of nicer treatment because, well, they've had to go through more stuff than me. But yeah.

Chad (17:34.88)
So British.

Brian Johnson (17:51.158)
Hahaha.

Jasper (17:52.451)
Um, as far as mentor wise, I mean, I have to credit my parents and also just my brother and sister who have always been there for me and, and well, coincidentally, um, funnily enough, I've ended up working together with them as well in the past few years, just as they needed someone either who could do a video, who could write a story about something, who could do some photos. Like I've always been, um, trying to, well, pride myself on doing as many jobs as possible. So, um, yeah, I just have to credit my family for that.

Brian Johnson (18:21.674)
Nice to have four mentors in the household, but it's good to hear that brother and sister are beating you up a little bit to keep you honest. That's nice.

Jasper (18:24.332)
Yeah.

Jasper (18:28.179)
I have to learn. Yeah, you have to stay even keeled like in life. I've always been not too high, not too low. I feel like that mentality really suits me. But it's nice to have people that can keep you grounded for sure.

Brian Johnson (18:40.778)
Yeah. Well, let's get into your documentary making. You've made two, The Unknown Torres and Gate Money. Both fascinating. You talked about before with us that the first one was kind of low budget, but you wouldn't know it by watching it. I mean, the story is great. The interviews are great. The editing and production of it is great. But the Gate Money one secondly taught me so much more about...

Jasper (18:56.579)
Good. Yeah.

Brian Johnson (19:08.498)
English football and the non leagues and the all the different levels and the and the challenges of it. And for me, it is similar to minor league baseball is what I grew up with. Right. And so very much a connection there. But tell me more. I mean, my goodness, you must have had a lot of resistance in making gate money. You must have had a lot of resistance in trying to get information because there's a lot of crookedness going on and people tend to hide and

Jasper (19:18.243)
That's true. Yep.

Jasper (19:31.606)
Yeah.

Chad (19:33.415)
God, yeah.

Jasper (19:37.122)
Yeah.

Brian Johnson (19:37.274)
and obfuscate and get away and do all that. And you saw that in the film, but how much did you experience it in your work?

Jasper (19:44.435)
Yeah, I mean, I still talk to it. I worked together with Fred Atkins, who's a British journalist on that film. And we still talk about it today, just the amount of, well, like, see, I got used to making stories that were quite feel good. So, The Unknown Tourist, to pivot back, that was the first full feature film I'd done. And that was just a happy story, right? It's just a happy story about this Argentinian guy who really pursued his dream and who got a lot out of it. And like, everything is quite uplifting. There's a few, like...

emotional things in there, but generally the sentiment is good. So when I was approached to do this story, I just, you delve into it, right? And there's this money scandal in non-league football. And I've grown used to non-league football because I've been in the UK a lot. And I knew what it meant. Like just semi-professional footballers. So the right back is also your local plumber, so to speak. And, you know, these are like community clubs, like.

Brian Johnson (20:35.924)
Sure, sure.

Chad (20:38.592)
Mm-hmm.

Jasper (20:41.403)
In the UK, unlike most countries now, sadly, the UK is still quite good in grasping that concept where a football club belongs to its community. You wouldn't say, but just on the Premier League, because it's like the millionaires just trying to ruin everything, in my opinion. But in non-league and that sort of level, the fans can still interact with the players. You can tell the striker at full time, like you did a great job. Well done.

Brian Johnson (20:55.502)
Mm-hmm. Ha ha ha.

Jasper (21:07.643)
missing the penalty but scoring two goals. It's still a community oriented sport there. So what happened is during Covid, those clubs come to a standstill because these clubs rely on gate money. The money coming in from fans attending games on Saturday, three o'clock, coming in, spending their money, drinking a few beers, having a few chats with their friends and the players and then going off home again. So community oriented, those clubs are struggling.

Those clubs need money to survive because no one else is going to help them. Right. The fans can't come in because there's a lockdown. So £10 million is sort of arranged after a few months by the British government to help these clubs. And then these clubs are like, okay, well, great. That's going to help us. Like the money that we lost by the fans not being able to attend is now going to come in and we're going to be saved for a few years. Great. So when that £10 million gets divvied up, it just, it doesn't add up.

Chad (21:46.603)
Hmm.

Jasper (22:02.507)
because there's certain clubs that just get way more than they probably should have done based on just calculations of how many fans attend games, etc. So you get into sort of nitty-gritty of it and it's, I mean, it's a clear story of injustice and I've got a sort of radar for injustice. I've sort of built that up in the past few years where I hate it. I absolutely despise any form of injustice. I hate it seeing kids being bullied in school. I still hate it today. Any form of injustice will really get me wound up.

Chad (22:12.243)
Mm.

Jasper (22:31.351)
Girlfriend Renee will attest to that. My parents will attest to that. Absolutely despising. So when this happened, like clubs got hard done by, some clubs that were counting on money just didn't get that money. So we delved into it and we found out, together with Fred Atkins, the journalist, we delved into it and we just quickly found out that there was a few clubs actually benefiting from this. And coincidentally, those were the clubs that belonged to the National League Board, which was the organization, National League is what the division is called. The board that was actually

in charge of the place. So then you go, well, okay, but it's still journalism, right? We try to get two sides of the story here, right? These clubs have been hard done by their feel let down. Sure, we can tell that side of the story quite easily because they were happy to talk. Then you get into the murky side, which is well, just an organization that doesn't want to say anything. We try every which way. The only thing we didn't do was just go with a rolling camera up to their house and be like, okay, can you please explain for yourself?

Chad (23:03.381)
Mm-hmm.

Jasper (23:29.227)
because we felt like that type of journalism didn't quite suit us. But yeah, we just got nowhere. It's like running into a brick wall, which is I learned a lot from it as a storyteller, as a journalist, as a filmmaker. But it's it wasn't easy to do, put it that way. Yeah.

Chad (23:48.487)
Yeah. Well, I mean, when one side doesn't want to participate and you want to give the full story, it's incredibly hard. So you just have to go off the facts. And I thought while watching it is, I mean, we saw the same thing and this is mainly, it was, it was, it was pressed by the pandemic. We saw the same thing here in the U S on how, you know, the PPP loans and those types of things were actually handled. Uh, who, who got money like Brett Favre's dumb ass took a bunch of cash, like millions of dollars when.

Brian Johnson (24:05.186)
Yeah.

Jasper (24:14.592)
Yeah.

Chad (24:17.803)
There was no reason for him to be getting money when, you know, there were other, other organizations who really desperately needed, needed that cash. Um, that to me was, was interesting. One thing that's also interesting is being an American and looking at like premier league football. So let's say for instance, the UK, the UK premier league, English premier league, 20 teams, right. And that's in the UK. Now the UK is the size of a state.

here in the United States. Okay. Now let's take a look at California real quick. What are their three NFL football teams in California? Three, there's 20 and that's just one league. Is there four? Okay. Three. Yeah. Cause it went to, yeah, Raiders left. So 20 and that's just the, that's just the premier. Yeah. You've got the championship, right? And then you've got the ones underneath that and Rexam, Rexam taught us all of that.

Brian Johnson (24:53.231)
Four teams in California. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm down to three you right because the Raiders left Sorry about that

Jasper (24:54.915)
Thought team, yeah.

Jasper (25:03.103)
And that's just the Premier League, yeah, I mean, it's... yeah.

Brian Johnson (25:08.994)
Yeah.

Jasper (25:09.279)
Yeah, so you've got... True. Yeah, well, Wrexham actually gave us... We were worried about that to start with, because when we were doing this story, Welcome to Wrexham came out and we were like, well, that's surely going to sort of ruin our story because maybe they're going to draw parallels because Wrexham was actually one of the clubs that was hard done by the original deal. So we actually reached out to the original owner of Wrexham at the time, asking for an interview. He wasn't willing to participate. Later, we found out why, because the club was being sold.

Chad (25:16.715)
Jasper.

Chad (25:24.981)
Uh huh.

Jasper (25:39.247)
But yeah, I mean, England is filled with football clubs, right? It's like we've got four professional divisions and then you've got like a hotbed of I don't know, maybe 20, 25 different leagues underneath that which are technical non league. So semi professional. But yeah, I mean, it's when you go to England, I usually advise like, please go and see a non league football game. It'll absolutely change your mind about football. Like it's

Brian Johnson (26:02.198)
Yeah.

Jasper (26:06.739)
I love it when you can just stand on a sideline and you hear the players shouting at each other and you can just be part of the actual atmosphere rather than just be a sort of a seat in the 60,000 stadium where, well, it's actually filled up mostly of tourists and people that are not actually participating in creating a good atmosphere. So yeah, if you're keen on football, go to a non-league game. That's the best part.

Brian Johnson (26:31.21)
Yeah, and what's nice too, again, having that same experience in the minor leagues of baseball in America is that when you're talking about these local teams, I mean, the players get an appreciation for the community, right? And again, build relationships with people that are outside of the soccer world or outside of what they do. And it's a great experience to a way to experience different parts of the country that you hadn't lived in before.

Jasper (26:36.376)
Hmm.

Jasper (26:59.711)
Absolutely.

Brian Johnson (26:59.974)
But also it's an appreciation for, hey, I used to be that little kid. I used to be little Jasper in the stands looking at me. So I feel a responsibility to make sure I talk to him and sign whatever he wants or all that. So it's-

Jasper (27:16.143)
I mean, it's like it's about building relationships, right? I mean, I've been to a few games of the same club where I actually took a share of the ownership, which cost me £55. Tunbridge Angels, which is all it's all about that. I went to a few games with who was then the chairman, Dave Netherstreet, fantastic guy who's on his pension just running around. It's great guy. But you can just feel a sense of community there.

Brian Johnson (27:25.655)
Yeah.

Chad (27:31.571)
Hello.

Jasper (27:43.295)
And I was only there for about three weeks. I attended about three games and I could already sort of feel like I was getting emotionally involved because I was starting to get to know these people. Like after the game, you can just walk up to the striker who's having a pint, literally that, and just have a conversation about anything. And it's funny because I signed the striker who played, I played quite a bit of football manager, it's one of my favorite games growing up. And I had actually signed the striker for a different team. So I was having a conversation with this guy who I'd signed on my laptop.

years earlier than that. It was a fun conversation. We ended up talking about philosophy and all these different kinds of stuff and he was like, oh shit, I need to go. But that sense of community is worth a lot. It's worth far more than just being in the stands and then leaving a game and then being in the mass of people running out and running in. It's a vastly different experience.

Brian Johnson (28:14.308)
Yeah.

Yeah. Ha ha ha.

Chad (28:39.335)
I also love the promotion and relegation system. I wish we had that here in the States. I mean, it would give that churn. And I mean, it just, for me, it makes the system feel more fluid. We live in Portugal part of the time. And one of our local for rents actually was just promoted. And I mean, that just brings more life to the area.

Jasper (28:50.124)
Will ya?

Jasper (29:04.287)
No, you've got a chance to be promoted. I love it about sports. I don't love it per se because I've followed teams that have been relegated in the past and it's when new card, new cards have been relegated twice in my life. It is quite demoralizing, but at the same time, it gives you an added incentive to stay competitive because so many of these, I love baseball, we can get into all baseball thing and I love, absolutely love major league baseball and Japanese baseball. But like when you're in the middle of the pack and it's

Chad (29:16.702)
Hahaha

Demoralizing, yeah.

Jasper (29:32.587)
you're trending towards September or even July and you're like in the middle of the pack and you're not really going anywhere. You can see, well, I'm a Marlins fan, so you can see, you usually see the Mets going up. You can see the Phillies going up. Usually even the Nationals going up and you can just, the Marlins would say sort of stack them in fourth place. It was, it was going nowhere. And you could, you get to a point in the season where the season sort of becomes pointless, right? But when that happens in European football, it doesn't happen.

because it states relevant whether you're performing or not. And you're just not gonna, well, it's a trade deadline. We're gonna sell off all our best players. We're gonna get some prospects. And we'll see you guys again next year. You can't do that here because you're gonna get relegated and you're gonna be in a second division earning a lot less money. Players wouldn't wanna come to you because you're not playing in the highest division. So it's not relevant. So it's big, big difference in mentality for sure.

Brian Johnson (30:25.954)
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. If you were to do, if you were to talk to a younger version of yourself wanting to make either one of your documentaries, what advice would you give them?

Jasper (30:39.667)
I was given great advice during the first film I did, so The Unknown Taurus, which was a 90 minute feature, which is in hindsight just crazy doing that all by yourself because I'd written it, I was filming everything, I was doing all the interviews, I was editing everything. It was crazy.

Jasper (31:01.455)
No, but I love doing everything myself. So I'm a bit of a control freak, I guess. But I think the best advice I got was during that trip where I met up with Russell Martin, who's now the manager at Southampton FC in the second division. They're probably going to get promoted at some point. He played for years and he was like, I was, I was running around like I had to go to Glasgow to film him because he was playing for Glasgow Rangers at the time.

Chad (31:01.887)
Was that the advice? Was the advice, do it all yourself? I think not. Ha!

Brian Johnson (31:06.062)
Hehehe

Jasper (31:27.795)
And I was just running and I feel like he could sense that I was just running and running and running. And he sort of grabbed me for a second. He was like, are you, are you enjoying it? And I was like, what do you mean? Of course I'm enjoying it. I get to, you know, come up to this stadium. I get to watch games. I get to do all of this. Um, it's my job now. So this is so much fun. It was like, yeah, I can see that you're enjoying it, but are you enjoying the process of making this? And I was like, well, I can't wait for them for it to be done.

Brian Johnson (31:37.379)
Hmm.

Brian Johnson (31:52.867)
Mmm.

Jasper (31:57.099)
But you need to remember that as soon as it's done, it's done. Right. So make sure you enjoy the journey more so than the end result. And that, that's something that's I've constantly got in mind when I'm doing projects now is where just enjoy the journey of making it rather than being so fixated on, well, it needs to be this one MP4 file that I'm going to send off to Amazon or iTunes or somewhere else, because that's, that's going to be an empty feeling because there's really nothing at the end of that.

So yeah, that's probably the advice I would give myself at an earlier stage even, because it gets you thinking about what's important and what's important isn't finishing a job, isn't finishing that film, it's about the relationships that you build up, the places that you get to see, the people you get to talk to. That's the experience. It's not about the results.

Brian Johnson (32:32.054)
Yeah.

Brian Johnson (32:43.895)
Yeah.

Brian Johnson (32:48.758)
That's amazing and great advice for anything that we do, right?

Jasper (32:52.968)
I agree. I agree.

Chad (32:58.007)
Yeah. Enjoy it. Uh, one thing that you can enjoy is being a jets fan. I don't understand that at all. I don't get that. I mean, you, you just said the Florida Marlins. I mean, then you tell you then now that, I mean, the jets, okay. It makes it better being Miami, but I mean, if, if you, if you visit, it makes it better, but jets, what the, what, what? I mean, it's like you're a masochist here. What's going on?

Brian Johnson (32:59.055)
Hahaha

Jasper (32:59.623)
Oh well, yeah. Yeah.

Miami Marlins.

Brian Johnson (33:05.463)
Yes, Miami.

Jasper (33:08.959)
I'm not sure, not sure it's been better since their name change.

Brian Johnson (33:10.12)
Right.

Brian Johnson (33:15.532)
Right.

Jasper (33:15.683)
390 up.

Jasper (33:21.059)
I, yeah, you can see it as this sort of self-hatred. Um, I mean, no, I love, I love.

Brian Johnson (33:27.484)
At least you're in good company. There's so many masochistic Jets fans in and around New York and everywhere else. So you're in good company.

Jasper (33:31.624)
Absolutely true. Yeah

Jasper (33:36.987)
I mean, I picked a good team. That's totally fair. I don't know what it's like. I could watch any game, right? Any game. And I had this with my friend the other day. We were watching a game of football. We watched Bundesliga together. We were putting a game on the game at the finish. They were like, OK, put on something else. Just put anything else. We got to an Italian game, Serie A, and Juventus were playing Hellas-Ferona. And I had no affiliation with any of the teams. But automatically, I will go. Let's go Hellas-Ferona today.

Chad (33:37.172)
Jets fans.

Jasper (34:05.087)
because there, there were 18th place, Juventus are in second place. So I'll all automatically support the underdog anywhere I can go. So same happened. I watched ESPN America. I was subscribed to that channel and I watched a Patriots V Jets game. Patriots are absolutely hammering the Jets. And I was like, the Jets are going to be my team then. Yeah.

Brian Johnson (34:27.262)
Hahaha

Chad (34:32.556)
Jets are my guys. My guys. So that being said, are you optimistic with Rogers coming back or do you just think that's going to...

Jasper (34:35.051)
I'm never optimistic. I'm a Jets fan. I mean, I try to be. I try to lure myself into optimism every year, but that applies to any team I follow. Like with the Marlins, with the Jets, you have to pre-season, you have to lure yourself into a false sense of optimism because otherwise you're just going to be depressed all year, which you're going to be depressed at the end of the year, probably anyway. So you might as well, you might as well be hopeful to start with. Yeah.

Brian Johnson (34:36.654)
Hahaha

Chad (34:58.499)
Mm.

Brian Johnson (34:59.97)
You're tight.

Brian Johnson (35:03.466)
You're tied for first place in both those teams in the off season.

Jasper (35:05.827)
Exactly. So you're tied for first place. Yeah. But and to be fair, the Jets have had a good off season. I say that every year and then it all falls down after a few years, but few games, but we'll see. I don't, I don't, but I always say this to people. It's good for your soul to support a bad team. Because if you get used to your team winning all the time.

Chad (35:08.567)
Yeah.

Jasper (35:27.347)
As soon as that stops, look at the New England Patriots fans being all miserable now. No, no, you've had 10 years of glory. You don't, you have not earned the right to be miserable. But you need a little bit of like, just stay even keeled, not too high, not too low. You can win this game, but probably not going to happen. But if it does, it's going to be all the all the better. Like if the Cheds were to win a Superbowl or the Marlins win a World Series, I'll be top of the world, man. I'll be delighted because I've enjoyed.

Brian Johnson (35:31.778)
Oh yeah.

Oh yeah.

Jasper (35:56.119)
I don't know, 20 years of horrible things happening to me. So yeah, it's good for your soul.

Brian Johnson (36:01.395)
Yeah. It's a great point. And I kind of, I like the green. I feel sorry for Jess fans. So I hope that they do well too. And I have to say, when the Lions went 0-16 a number of years back, that's when I became a Lions fan. And now, you know, it's kind of more fun to be a Lions fan. So I can relate. I can relate. But at least I live in Detroit. You

Jasper (36:24.579)
True, you've got an actual reason to, yeah.

Brian Johnson (36:26.838)
You're not actually right around the corner from the Jets stadium. So I don't know. Yeah. It's a little different.

Jasper (36:30.547)
Not quite, no. No, but luckily for globalization, you can watch any game and you can still get riled up. You can watch all the press conferences and you can watch, yeah. But it's, I mean, that to me is great about living in this moment because you can just follow a sport as if it were your local team.

Brian Johnson (36:35.15)
There we go.

Chad (36:51.355)
Yeah. I got to say though, Brian, that, uh, chat and cheese podcast, we have a fantasy football league and, and we, and we, and we pick, right. You know, people to actually join the league and then we talk about it on the air every week and so on and so forth. Jasper for a couple of years, he was like begging, let me on. I am so good at this. He got waxed this year. He got waxed.

Brian Johnson (36:52.779)
Oh.

Jasper (36:52.877)
Don't bring that up.

Jasper (36:59.564)
Oh god.

Brian Johnson (37:09.664)
Hahaha!

Chad (37:16.487)
And here I am, I'm like telling Joe, I'm like, no, we need some Europeans on here. This is, this will be fun. And yeah, so now Jasper screwed it up for all of Europe.

Jasper (37:22.723)
I need a retry on that because honestly, that wasn't me. That wasn't me. No, but I've grown quite good. I play fantasy baseball and football. I've won plenty of leagues, which is not everyone wins their league. I've grown quite good at baseball in particular. But yeah, I mean, that was just a glitch in the Matrix, man. I was, normally I'm good. Normally I'm good.

Brian Johnson (37:43.342)
I've done fantasy football a couple of times. I was awful at it. My wife did it like four years in a row, won twice in the league that she was in. So you won't be hearing me asking to be in your league because I don't give a damn about fantasy football.

Jasper (37:54.78)
Hahaha!

Jasper (37:59.4)
We can do we can do a talent-chasing league. That'd be good

Brian Johnson (38:02.114)
That's right, that's right.

Jasper (38:05.867)
That's fine. There's another spot for us. I feel like fantasy football, you can get lucky. You can get really lucky and you can win. Fantasy baseball takes a much more measured approach. I feel like especially. I know, I know. Yeah, I mean, I have to set up. I have to set up a lineup every day, every day. It's yeah, I know. Yeah.

Brian Johnson (38:08.138)
Right. I'll be the critic. I'll be the critic on the side. I'll be criticizing everybody.

Chad (38:08.635)
Yeah, Brian just won't he won't participate at all.

Chad (38:17.513)
So, so.

Brian Johnson (38:19.594)
And it takes forever. You can't have a life and be involved in fantasy baseball.

Ugh.

Chad (38:30.653)
Oh god no.

That's ridiculous. That or basketball fantasy, baseball fan. I mean any, it's like multiple. It's like, no, just one a week is really all I need to focus on. Yes.

Jasper (38:39.607)
Thank you.

Brian Johnson (38:39.658)
Right. I can do March Madness. I can have the computer pick my picks for me and then see if it works. I'm in. That's it for me. I'm good like that.

Jasper (38:51.761)
Yeah, yeah. HAHA

Chad (38:52.447)
Chat GPT. It's like chat.

Brian Johnson (38:55.473)
computer chooses the teams. I'm in.

Jasper (38:57.631)
No!

Chad (38:58.759)
Oh, that's hilarious. So yeah, imagine that. So, so Jasper in, if companies are chasing, you said that somebody actually came to you to create, you know, uh, gate money, right? How, how do they find you? I mean, are you just out there or just was, were they local? Was this a, just a connection that you had before? How did that happen? And how do companies generally like find you or people like you other than five, fiver?

Jasper (39:24.191)
Uh, well, fiverr is no go because I need to earn a actual living. Um, but, um, which is we can get into that whole debate, but it's.

Brian Johnson (39:30.37)
Hahaha.

Brian Johnson (39:34.005)
The concept of fiber is pretty awesome.

Jasper (39:36.755)
Yeah, but they I know exactly like oh no, I'll charge 10 euros. No, I'll charge 9. Yeah, not worth it No, so usually it's just word of mouth. I've been lucky in the sense. I've not had to do a lot of acquisition myself I've just been able to get quite lucky with Companies that find me or like the gate money documentary I ended up doing because I Got to know this owner of a football club

Chad (39:41.79)
Race to the bottom though, right?

Brian Johnson (39:42.37)
Right, right, right.

Jasper (40:04.683)
through that first film, The Unknown Tourist. He actually wanted to buy the commercial rights of me for that film because it was really impressive. I obviously said no, because I thought this was gonna be a big hit. It turned out to do quite well, but documentaries are niche, right? It's really niche. So it's like everyone, but everyone wants to watch documentaries, but no one will pay for it. That's sort of the sentiment I got from when I was sort of...

Brian Johnson (40:22.594)
I'm a huge documentary fan. My wife is not.

Brian Johnson (40:31.536)
So, okay.

Chad (40:32.236)
Same here.

Jasper (40:32.407)
getting into it, I spoke to quite a few British documentary makers and I got that advice from a few people like, it's a lovely job, like everyone wants to watch it but when's the last time you paid to go to a cinema to watch a documentary? You didn't, you don't. So yeah, and then you get into the whole Netflix part of it which is they're sort of dramatizing stories to sort of add a layer of fiction to nonfiction, which is horrible in my opinion, because you need to...

Brian Johnson (40:44.758)
Yeah.

Chad (40:51.019)
Yeah.

Brian Johnson (40:58.018)
Mm-hmm.

Jasper (41:00.811)
you need to have an authentic story. So yeah, I mean, I've just been lucky going from one place to another, meeting one person who knows a person who needs an article or needs a cool video about something. Yeah, I've just been quite lucky with that.

Chad (41:03.035)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Jasper (41:23.299)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (41:23.403)
Well, you, I mean, GateMoney actually, you went down to the UK, right? To be able to go through the whole red carpet ceremony and whatnot to actually, to open it. So that, we're moving very quickly or we have moved, I guess you could say to streaming. How is that going to affect the industry? Number one and number two, how in the hell do you get your content on streaming platforms?

Jasper (41:44.467)
It's poor. That's a good question. So for both films, I've been lucky that we've been able to premiere it at different places in the UK. So we've been organizing screenings, people have paid a few pounds to get to there. We did a Q&A after all films, like you get to talk to the people who've just watched it. I got to sign autographs for the first time, which was hilarious. But it was so funny. First film, The Unknown Taurus, we did a premiere at the oldest cinema in Brighton.

Brian Johnson (42:06.128)
Yeah.

Jasper (42:13.931)
that all the cinema in the UK actually, we managed to sell it out and afterwards we were selling DVDs because the British are quite still, they like a DVD to have something physical. So we produced about 500, maybe a thousand DVDs and we just, we were selling them afterwards, like my dad was selling them and I remember this one kid came up to me like, oh, you're the director of the film. I'm like, yeah, I am. Can I please get your autograph? And that was like, so that's what it feels like.

Brian Johnson (42:23.786)
Hahaha.

Brian Johnson (42:41.749)
Hahaha!

Jasper (42:42.939)
We ended up spending the night signing autographs. It's just so funny because you feel like you feel like an imposter. Yeah. There was a missed everyone's calling me Mr. And I was like, dude, I'm like 25 or 24 at this point. Just relax. But it was it was it was it was awesome. But to get to get back to your question, streaming is.

Brian Johnson (42:53.442)
hahahaha

Chad (42:55.586)
He didn't know that you were just a few years older than he was.

Jasper (43:07.487)
It's difficult because I've had to endure this with both films. Both of my ideas were like, okay, let's get this onto a platform because we want us to get as many people as possible to see it. We were lucky to sell the Unknown Tourist to a company in London who are going to distribute it for us. Um, but then that sounds great, right? Selling, selling your film. You think, wow, this guy's done well for us. We've got, we got 200 pounds for that film. I'm not joking. 200 pounds. That's all. I know.

And that wasn't because it wasn't a good film. That was just because it's impossible to get your film up to a channel and then to get some sort of revenue from that. It's so hard. And we tried Netflix, like go in the Netflix route and then you quickly find out, right, Netflix only works with a limited amount of distributors. And those are distributors that they've worked with for years. So it's like, it's a machine that's already going and you're trying to get on. It's a train and you're trying to get on.

Chad (43:51.805)
Uh-huh.

Chad (44:00.181)
Mm-hmm.

Jasper (44:05.835)
but there's no way, there's no platform. You can't get on because they're already sort of stuck with their own. These are the companies that we work with and no one else. No one from the outside can just get their film onto Netflix, absolutely impossible. But Amazon on the other hand, they're quite open about it. You can actually self-distribute on Amazon, which is quite easy to do. Well, you need to get all the right specs. With both films, we were lucky that we managed to distribute in a way that it got...

Brian Johnson (44:14.094)
Hmm.

Jasper (44:34.871)
technically it got sold, but Netflix has sort of made it impossible. Prime is much better because you can also just rent films there. You can buy films. I'm a much bigger fan of that platform also for distributing your own books. It helps the independent storyteller who just wants to get the story out there. Who doesn't want to have all these contractual obligations. Who doesn't want to have all these...

commercial interest in their story, but just wants to get an authentic story out there. But then there's the types of Disney's, Netflix's of this world, which have made it just too hard in my opinion.

Brian Johnson (45:13.277)
Yeah, Jeff Bezos rules the world, but he provides some good stuff.

Jasper (45:16.835)
True, true.

Chad (45:24.099)
How he rules.

Chad (45:28.023)
So, I mean, last but not least for me, kind of a weird turn, but you're a big fan of World War II Japanese strategies. Now that to me was incredibly specific, because you'll see that, you know, like the Pacific and then obviously European theaters and whatnot, but specifically.

Japanese strategy. So what actually drew you into that? I know you have a love for Japanese baseball that like draw you in? How did that happen?

Jasper (45:54.359)
Um, so I live in a country that is obviously a big part of World War II in the sense that we got occupied by Germany. Um, we were one of the first countries to get occupied by Germany. Uh, it only took him about two days because we only had two tanks, I believe. Um, so that wasn't too hard, but it's, I grew up on that narrative all the time. But I was so familiar with that narrative at that point where I was in like middle school, I guess it's called like 15, 16 years old. And I just sort of got.

Well, okay, I know this side of the story, but what happened there, right? And it all sort of started with my fascination for Pearl Harbor, that whole incident. And to me, if I found it captivating that we were being told one side of the history, which was, well, okay, it's local, so it makes sense to tell that side. But I was amazed because I sort of inquired in my class at the time, like, do you guys know that what happened in Japan and on all those tiny islands?

Chad (46:23.72)
Mm-hmm.

Jasper (46:52.211)
was actually also part of World War II. They were like, no, wasn't that like a separate war? And I was like, I was almost, yeah, I know. And I was almost, because you're gonna get, you're gonna get it completely different. You're gonna, you're accustomed to the other way around, right?

Brian Johnson (46:57.42)
Mmm, wow.

Chad (47:01.983)
Really?

Brian Johnson (47:04.79)
Yeah.

Jasper (47:09.859)
True, because you were at both places. Yeah, but for us, it's like almost as if that war, that side of war didn't exist. And I'd read the book, The Pacific, Ambrose, I believe is the writer, which was fascinating to me. And it was around that age where I read it and I just delved into that war because I found the intricacies of what happened in the Pacific so much more interesting of what happened here because Germany occupied Europe in a quite simple fashion.

Chad (47:09.971)
No, we're, we're accustomed to the, the two front. I mean, we were in the Pacific and we were in the, you know, European theater. Yeah.

Brian Johnson (47:11.927)
Yeah.

Brian Johnson (47:16.939)
Wow.

Chad (47:25.33)
Mm-hmm.

Jasper (47:39.943)
The Brits fought back, France fought back. Obviously everyone tried to fight back in its own right, but they were, they were no match. The, what happened in all those tiny islands in the Pacific, completely different story, especially just the U S having to go there and having to fight on in the, in, in this sort of atmosphere and the culture and the climate that they had like Europe can feel familiar to an American soldier.

Chad (47:49.781)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (47:57.441)
Oh yes.

Jasper (48:05.939)
when you go into those Pacific Islands and you get into the monsoon season, completely different. So, um, it's, it sort of started with Pearl Harbor reading about that, watching every documentary I could find on that. Um, and then just also being amazed by the strategies, strategies that the Japanese had opted for and just the element of surprise in war is, is the biggest thing. And they just, they should sort of managed to nail it completely with like, with Pearl Harbor. And

Chad (48:14.603)
Yes, no. Mm.

Jasper (48:35.687)
I just find it fascinating. So I spent the entire summer just reading about Japanese war strategies at that point.

Brian Johnson (48:42.186)
Yeah, no, it is an incredible story. And I lock myself onto it too. I became a non-historian, but fascinated about the whole story and how it came about for many different countries, not just the United States, but as we talked about earlier offline, I wish more of us in the world were curious about how that happened and where the mistakes were made and why it's important for us to keep NATO healthy and functioning and why it's important.

Jasper (49:02.763)
Absolutely. Yep.

Chad (49:07.862)
Yes.

Brian Johnson (49:11.874)
to make sure Ukraine is supported now. So history is very important for all of us, and I'm glad that each of us at least have taken an interest in it.

Jasper (49:18.632)
Yeah, I mean, yeah.

Jasper (49:25.419)
Yeah, I mean, like history is what it's always going to teach us about what's going to happen in the future. If we don't learn from history, then history is just going to repeat itself time and time again. And we've seen that so many times, even, you know, what's happening with Ukraine and Russia. But yeah, I mean, you have to, I'm always amazed, I don't find history interesting at all. I was like, yeah, but that's just because you had a boring teacher. It's actually fascinating. You need to try and, you know, educate yourself because it's so important.

Brian Johnson (49:53.686)
Yeah. And you've never been occupied or you've never been under duress. You've never had your life at stake for the governing body that is responsible for your safety. That makes it real relevant real quick for any of us. But yeah.

Chad (49:55.072)
Yes.

Jasper (49:57.332)
Also that.

Chad (50:04.609)
Mm-hmm.

Jasper (50:08.191)
Absolutely. Yep. Absolutely.

Chad (50:13.319)
Yes, agreed. Well, and, and on this podcast, we talked to interesting people this time we're talking to Jasper, so we'll kind of let that one go, but, uh, we're talking to interesting people about their history, about their background, about, you know, the, the actual talent, the, the hunt, the chase, all those things. So, you know, Jasper, I mean, we, we appreciate you letting it all out and your whole almost 30 years of, of living.

Brian Johnson (50:17.141)
Hahaha!

Brian Johnson (50:36.003)
Ha ha.

Chad (50:41.351)
Is there anything that we missed that you wanted to throw out there that's just a great story?

Jasper (50:42.389)
I don't know guys, you think you've covered quite a bit. I don't know if you've got any more questions for me.

Brian Johnson (50:48.374)
Yeah, we've covered quite a bit.

Brian Johnson (50:52.886)
I don't think I have anymore. I got my list of things here, and I think we hit all the areas that I really wanted to hit. So I think we're good.

Chad (51:05.143)
Okay, cool. I'll just close this out then. Well, excellent Brian Johnson, Jasper Spandart, and Chad Sawash. We will see you next week on Talent Chasing. Later.