Breakdown Bill Parcels - The Legacy of Leadership

Jasper (00:16.854)
Hello and welcome to another episode of talent chasing. name is Jasper Spanjaart. I'm joined today by former drill sergeant himself and all round wise guy, Mr. Investor himself, Chat Sowash and Mr. Former Scout, Brian Johnson. Today we are delving, yeah, Brian Johnson, don't know the guy. We are delving into Bill Parcells. If you haven't heard the name before, boy, are you in for a thrill because yeah, the guy's awesome and he's just responsible. He's a legend of the game.

Chad (00:44.557)
Legend.

Jasper (00:46.702)
Read his book, saw all of the documentaries made on him. Fascinating guy,

Chad (00:54.319)
Now, wait a minute, are we just are we just doing this because the Jets just got a new head coach? mean, this it's what feels like this is what it's leading to, to be quite frank.

Jasper (01:01.676)
Yeah. G E T S we're back baby. It's we're back. Yeah. So, the New York Jets hide Aaron Glenn as their new head coach, former, defensive coordinator for the Detroit Lions, Brian's beloved Detroit Lions, but the New York Jets are back, baby. We are so back. Aaron Glenn, the guy who will bring a Superbowl back to New York. but, no, yeah, sure. But it's,

Brian (01:05.693)
Yeah

Chad (01:05.956)
Ha!

Brian (01:21.587)
Yeah.

Chad (01:25.368)
Never heard that before. Never heard that before.

Jasper (01:31.615)
But the off season is my season during the season we get no hope. All right, the season ends you need some hope you go back like you get you get an exciting new coach But let's listen to how he announced himself to the New York media first

Chad (01:46.914)
Here we go.

Jasper (03:20.682)
Right. And we'll delve into Aaron Glenn's personal career path at a later date. But I was, yeah, a big surprise. Now, but when I saw this video, the first thing that came to mind was like, I need to message you guys because this is three episodes in one, right? This is Bill Parcells. This is the coaching tree of Bill Parcells and all those talented coaches who've learned directly from him. You know, he's enabling others to succeed. And then just, yeah, just Aaron Glenn's career path. But

Chad (03:27.054)
Big surprise, big surprise.

Brian (03:34.921)
Hmm

Chad (03:38.244)
Mm-hmm.

Jasper (03:49.538)
We're sort of in chapter one, I feel like. and, and, and that helps, because we can dive into Bill Parcell. So, beyond Aaron Glenn, let's, let's throw some names at you. If you're a football fan, which I know both of you guys are, you'll recognize these names. So Bill Belichick, Tom Coughlin, Sean Payton, Romeo Cronnell, Top Balls, all these guys learned directly under Bill Parcells. These were like Bill Parcells. I took a look at some of the statistics, right?

Chad (03:52.505)
Mm-hmm.

Jasper (04:19.148)
He's responsible for developing 11 head coaches who work directly under his leadership. And that includes those guys, Super Bowl winning coaches that I've just mentioned. And that doesn't include all the guys that have played for Bill Parcells, who later on, like Aaron Glenn, went and called the guy and we're like, okay, I need a bit of advice. And this guy's influenced the NFL, I think, like at a scale that I've never seen before.

Chad (04:19.267)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (04:24.612)
Yeah

Jasper (04:48.654)
Like we can talk about all the great coaches and I know we've mentioned quite a few of them on this podcast, but I think Bill Parcells is a guy who needs a bit of credit. and so, so let's see if we can give him some.

Brian (04:56.521)
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Chad (05:00.472)
Yeah.

Chad (05:04.066)
Yeah. Well, between Belichick and Coughlin, I mean, that's eight Super Bowls. Just those two. yeah, yeah. Payton, mean, just, they just keep, they keep coming. And I was looking through all of the coaches and we're just talking about head coaches at this point that he had his hand in that Bill Parcells had his hand in and my God, I mean, that says something about a leader. I mean, it's not just what you do. How many, how many Super Bowls did Parcells have?

Jasper (05:07.84)
Yep, Sean Payton is another one.

Thanks.

Jasper (05:34.264)
think two, he won two with the Giants, yeah, with the New York Giants. I was watching when we decided upon this subject, I was watching a football life, one of the NFL documentaries they do on the Parcells episode is a great one. But I think they mentioned that one of the Giants teams was particularly talented. Now this was before my era guys, so help me out.

Brian (05:35.433)
to.

Chad (05:37.005)
Yeah.

Chad (05:46.584)
Yeah.

Chad (05:50.233)
Mm-hmm.

Brian (05:57.001)
Thank

Jasper (05:57.064)
but one of them was particularly talented, but the other one was sort of a, there was sort of the, think he lost Phil Sims. It was a starting quarterback at that time to serious injury and he still went on to win the super bowl. So I think. Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, that's the name. So that says something about his, but he's sort of the diving into more statistics. He took all like when he, when you look at the teams that he coached, he came in at a time when they were struggling, like the giants were three, 12 and one when he took over.

Chad (06:03.827)
Mm-hmm.

Brian (06:04.381)
Mm-hmm.

The Hashtailer.

Chad (06:25.953)
Mm-hmm.

Jasper (06:26.006)
In four years time, won a Super Bowl. Patriots were two and 14 Super Bowl win appearance. Sorry. Four years later, he took my beloved New York Jets, one and 15 when he took over, and he took him to the AFC championship in, two years time. Same with the Cowboys where he coached his, I think it was, I think it was his last stop in the NFL. five and 11 took him to the playoffs in two years time. This guy is probably.

one of the best coaches of all time period. Any sport, just period. Brian, it's your era. Tell me about Bill Parcells.

Brian (07:02.983)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. Parcells is amazing. Yeah, yeah, I am. I kind of think of Bill Walsh is kind in that category too. Elaborate coaching tree. I played for a bunch of Bill Walsh's coaches, Freddie Van Appen, Dennis Green, guys like that, Willie Shaw, father to Brian Shaw was a Stanford coach later on. And then there's Mike Holmgren in Green Bay.

Chad (07:05.38)
Can you just call you old? Come on.

Jasper (07:06.816)
Yeah, just it. Yeah, it's fine.

Chad (07:31.118)
Mm-hmm.

Brian (07:31.198)
that had John Gruden and a bunch of other guys. So yeah, there's a bunch of different trees historically, but Parcells is probably the best going. my favorite part about him is when you watch videos of him now, he used talk a lot of shit. And I respect that a lot. And yeah, and it's not so much cussing him out, but...

Jasper (07:49.56)
Hmm... He cussed people out.

Chad (07:49.891)
Yeah

he did.

Brian (07:57.098)
He had a standard and he made everyone live up to it. And again, we keep talking about Aaron, you know, Aaron Glenn is going to have to decide about the diva Aaron Rodgers at some point. And if you're a Bill Pelochet guy, because Dan Campbell's from him, you know, a bunch of guys are from him, they don't really care who you are. Everyone's going to pull the right direction because they know everybody's watching. So essentially, if Aaron Glenn, I mean, if Aaron Rodgers challenges

Chad (08:05.269)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Brian (08:24.827)
Aaron Glenn or challenges the way things are done. He's attacking the whole system. And so therefore that will not work with Aaron Glenn. And again, why is Aaron Glenn good here? Because he played and he was very good at playing. Okay, he didn't have four MVPs, but that doesn't matter. That's an upper national. That's a, what is it? A difference without a distinction. Aaron Glenn has enough personality and, and pizzazz and can talk shit to anybody.

Chad (08:46.702)
Yeah.

Jasper (08:46.99)
Hmm.

Brian (08:53.642)
And because that's the language, right? In that type of mode, when you're on the sideline, that's the language. You don't have time to sit into a corporate office, cross your legs, get HR in here to make sure no one gets their feelings hurt. You're on the field, you gotta make decisions within seconds. And Aaron Glenn is gonna be able to do that. I'm excited about it. And Bill Parcells is definitely one of my favorites.

Chad (08:55.716)
Yeah? Yeah?

Chad (09:01.166)
Yeah.

Chad (09:15.556)
It's very much a military mindset. I mean, because we talk shit to each other all the time, right? I mean, you're slow, you're fat, you're weak. Yeah, mean, whatever it is, right? Your shots off, whatever it is. But I mean, it is a culture, but it's also a culture where you are creating leaders. That's what you do. I mean, that's what the entire culture does. It's set up to do that.

Brian (09:23.911)
Yeah.

Chad (09:43.045)
So the person, I mean, the person to the left of you, the person to the right of you, they know the person's job to the left and the right of them, right? And et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And you just, you grow through that entire culture. And that's the kind of culture that a leader sets. You get a Bill Parcells like this, the guy, this is not about his Super Bowls, in this case, to me. It's about the wake of Super Bowls that he created.

Brian (10:13.065)
And on top of that, because what you see in the video is Custon out Lawrence Taylor, arguably one of top five players ever to play, right? And other players. And that's what you see in the video. But what you don't see is where the relationship was being built every day of practice, every day at early work, every day here, every day there. And that's why Aaron Glenn in that video is a great example. Aaron Glenn, who did he turn to for advice? That guy.

Chad (10:20.201)
hell yeah.

Jasper (10:29.592)
Yeah, that'd enable that.

Jasper (10:39.0)
build for ourselves.

Brian (10:40.03)
that guy that you knew was gonna give it to you honestly, no matter what, you're gonna give it to you honestly. And he told him no. That's a relationship right there. He told him no and he respected it. He wanted to hear that. And that's the problem with Aaron Rodgers. When you get up to a certain level and you kind of cordon yourself off from everybody else, no one's telling you no in your whole life. He's got no wife, he's got no girlfriend, you know, whatever. But there's nobody who impacts him like that.

Chad (10:44.408)
Yeah.

Chad (11:02.317)
No, yeah.

Brian (11:09.361)
And no one's telling him no as far as maybe mom and dad or whatever. I don't know. But Robert solid, the head coach for the the for the Jets, good dude, defensive coordinator. But clearly no one really told Aaron Rodgers to do it he came in as a savior. He came in as the four time MVP. You could tell from the beginning that no one was stepping up to him. The players are just getting out of his way because look, we're just trying to win. You know, we're not trying to worry about what you do. Just do whatever you do.

Chad (11:12.644)
Mm-hmm.

Brian (11:38.235)
and just provide average quarterback play and we're going to do really well. And he didn't provide that. now you're having us do a show on Aaron Glenn and the Jets in January. And here we are.

Jasper (11:50.862)
I have a feeling Brian. I have a feeling you'd yeah go on Chad

Chad (11:54.775)
Here's the thing though. Here's the thing though. Bill Parcell's managed up. He didn't take any shit from any owner or anybody. You want me to win, you shut the fuck up and you get out of my way, right? Salah took shit and that was a problem. Hopefully he learns from that. But the thing is you've got to be able to manage and lead with the people underneath you to raise them up. And then you got to get the people that are in your way out of your damn way.

Brian (12:04.649)
That's right.

That's right. That's right. That's a point.

Jasper (12:12.802)
Was it? Yeah.

Brian (12:22.729)
That's right.

Jasper (12:23.532)
I think, I think with Parcells and looking at those videos when, when he was cussing people out, cause he was and the way he was managing people and the way he was managing media, felt like Parcells is a type of guy. If you played for him and you were successful, I don't think, I don't think people start liking Bill Parcells until way later. It's like the teacher that you always hated growing up, but you're actually grateful for some of the lessons because that actually taught you something versus the teacher always being nice and just.

Chad (12:27.332)
Hmm?

Chad (12:48.268)
yeah.

Brian (12:48.979)
That's right.

Jasper (12:52.45)
generally like there's not, there's little impact.

Brian (12:52.554)
That's right. Bill Belichick was not good in Cleveland. Bill Belichick was not good in Cleveland, right? Bill Belichick was not good everywhere he went. Bill Belichick was not good in New England before Brady got there. He had Drew Bledsoe, which was a great quarterback. He didn't do much there. Tom Brady changes everything around. So yeah, it's a, and know, and Parcells.

Chad (13:03.021)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (13:13.028)
Well that's a chemistry thing though, right?

Brian (13:16.325)
I don't know what was going on back then, but New England was a perennial loser, Outside of Steve Grogan taking them to the Super Bowl and getting blown out by the 49ers, the New England Patriots were garbage, perennial garbage. They were the Lions back then, right? And so, yeah, it's interesting. So is Woody Johnson going to get out of the way and allow this team to operate, or is he going to be meddlesome?

Chad (13:17.516)
Or maybe that was just more ingredients. Yeah. Horrible.

Jasper (13:20.91)
At that point, yeah.

Jasper (13:44.814)
And that's, and that's the never ending question. You just don't know. Um, because when you look at the track record, track record, you'd be inclined to say, no, it's going to go wrong because all of the coaches before him, pretty much, think Rex Ryan was the only one who came to a point where it felt like it was Rex's team. You know, that was, it had a sort of DNA. We're going to run the ball down your throat and the quarterback doesn't have to do much. Just manage the game.

we're going to play really tough defense and we're going to run the ball. I think a coach needs a certain identity. I think that is a fair, so I'll be really interested to see what Aaron Glenn's identity is going to be. he'll need to, he'll need the players to do so. But what I wanted to get to earlier, the fact that Bill Parcells was a certain type of leader that may have not been appreciated at the time by some of the players and was appreciated much later down the line. When you look at

Chad (14:12.078)
Mm-hmm.

Jasper (14:38.24)
you know, the, the current state of the world. And when you look at generation Z coming up, you know, people that are slightly younger than me, are they going to be, would, let me just phrase it this way. Would a Bill type, Bill Parcell's type leader still be successful today with the new generation, with the type of people growing up now and the way, you know,

People may not like being cussed out all that much at this time and they may be like, okay, my boss is cursing me out Okay, I'm just gonna go and look for a new job. You know, what's your take on that both of you?

Brian (15:14.291)
So for me, the take on Gen Z or any of the new generations that they can't excuse me, they can't handle honest feedback, I think is wrong. Because what we're talking about, we're talking about upper echelon skill level here. So the most elite piano players are getting direct feedback and most elite dancers are getting direct feedback from those that are teaching them.

Jasper (15:33.262)
Mm-hmm.

Brian (15:43.036)
at that high level and they are critical of that person. So I think Bill Parcells would be the same way as he's always been. And I think what we don't see, and I've never seen it, I watch pretty closely, I've never seen what Bill Parcells is like behind the scenes. And he seems like a very much of a, maybe a grumpy uncle, but a grumpy uncle that takes care of you and slips you a 20 every time you see him.

Chad (15:44.345)
Yeah.

Jasper (16:09.836)
Yeah.

Brian (16:11.849)
and is always there at the game to watch you. And may not say anything, but he's always pushing for you and always doing things. The tough love, but a lot of love, not just beating you up. And so that's my impression of Parcells and the fact that people are so loyal to him and speak of him 20 years later. He had to be that. He couldn't have been Bobby Knight. He couldn't have been, you know, the old school, well, unless they...

Jasper (16:18.36)
Tough love. Yeah.

Well, yeah.

Chad (16:28.313)
Yeah.

Jasper (16:29.357)
Yeah.

Jasper (16:33.581)
No.

Brian (16:39.301)
Again, unless that was just the front for other grumpy old men that were coaches as well.

Jasper (16:43.406)
Yeah, but what you've just said makes for a really good point though. Why would Aaron Glenn bring him up? It's his press conference, right? Bill Parcells hasn't coached in how many years? Like it's a long time ago and he's still giving him props like for that to happen because what Aaron Glenn describes is he would have reached out to Bill Parcells what 12 or 15 years ago. So

Chad (16:56.921)
Giving him props. Yeah.

Chad (17:07.555)
Mm-hmm.

Jasper (17:08.578)
for that to be such a big impact on the guy and for him to, like you said, like Bill Basel said, no, and that's what he listened to. So he clearly had authority over him years after coaching him. that, I see it. I see it. That's yeah.

Chad (17:15.897)
Yeah.

Brian (17:19.813)
and told him, see you as a head coach 15 years ago. That, that, that is genius. And to have him start at the bottom floor so he learns how to evaluate. mean, my goodness, that is such a recipe for success in anything that you're in.

Chad (17:23.97)
Yeah.

Chad (17:28.035)
yeah. Well, it

Jasper (17:33.037)
Hmm.

Chad (17:36.389)
A set of skills. Yeah, a set of skills that not everybody has. Right. And I mean, you, know, as a scout, being able to take a look and just see him jump off the page and as you've talked about before, see him jump off the page and, actually watch him play. But I mean, back to the, gen Z side of the house, you know, this goes back to the, the, the corporate culture stuff, right? Not every company is going to be the right fit for me, Jasper, you, we're going to have different

different fits, right? They're different leaders. I don't want to be in the office. Jasper might want to be in the office. I mean, there are all these different pieces that, you know, we might jive with or might not jive with. And a lot of that has to do with the leader. And we just talked about this shameless plug kids go listen to Coach Prime breakdown if you didn't. Where Prime, mean, Dion Sanders

Jasper (18:07.086)
Absolutely.

Chad (18:30.679)
is not a nice dude, He's taking money away from his kids right now because they're not showing up to class, right? So he's not being the nice guy. He's not patting them on the head. He's making sure. He's being that father figure. And even though Aaron Glenn at the time was a grown damn man, he still needed a father figure to say, no, you ain't ready, man. You ain't ready. What you need is you need to start at scouting.

For me, this is not generational and it just cracks me up how we want to make everything generational. We are our own people, right? I have three kids. They're probably the most different people, the oldest to the youngest. They are so different. For the same type of work environment, it would work for one, the other two, be hell no. Get out of here. And they're all freaking Gen Z. So, I mean, for me,

Jasper (19:21.358)
Hmm.

Chad (19:26.084)
It has to go beyond this generational bullshit. This has to do with fit. This has to do with what a person really wants. And in this case with Parcells in Belichick, right? It didn't work with all teams. It didn't work with some of the leadership, the management, the people that were actually on the team. So, I mean, that's my thought on the Gen Z side.

Brian (19:48.541)
Jasper, you should be encouraged that they... Yeah. Jasper.

Jasper (19:48.654)
Didn't mean to make you angry, Chad. Didn't mean to make you angry. Jeez.

Chad (19:53.753)
I'm sick and tired of freaking news talking about this shit all the time. Will Gen Z this? Will Gen Z? I'm fucking Gen X, man. We don't give a shit about anything. We just do what we want. We do what we want.

Jasper (19:57.776)
I knew it! I knew it!

Brian (20:03.059)
Yeah.

Jasper (20:03.118)
That was Eurochart speaking,

Brian (20:07.859)
Right. I like that. I like that. But Jen, you should be encouraged that they hired a new general manager at the same time they hired a head coach. And the key for Aaron Glenn is that the general manager does his job and is a buffer to the owner. He doesn't let Woody get to Aaron. He gives him an insulation from Woody Johnson, from anybody else, and allow Aaron Glenn to do his job. We'll see if that happens.

Chad (20:14.338)
Yeah.

Jasper (20:15.776)
I mean, it's a fresh start.

Jasper (20:33.278)
You wonder if that happens though because what Woody Johnson said is they both report to me.

Chad (20:33.646)
Dude. dude.

Chad (20:40.133)
And that's hard because I've had CEOs, being a VP, having teams, running sales, marketing and tech as a VP at one time. My CEO coming down and actually not talking to, I don't care about the whole talking to, but like giving direction to, right? And getting in my people's way. So I actually had to go into my CEO's office.

Jasper (20:41.037)
Yeah.

Jasper (20:59.607)
Okay.

Chad (21:07.434)
shut the door and say, get the fuck out of my people's office. If you want to go say hi, you want to ask them how the kids are doing or something like that, that's all well and good. I'm the person. We have a strategy in place and you're fucking up the mix here. You need to stop this. And if you can't do that as a leader, as an Aaron, as the GM or the head coach, then I don't know that you should be in that position.

Jasper (21:33.358)
Hmm.

Brian (21:33.788)
And what Woody is saying also is that these two need to work together. So he's not saying, you know, GM's in charge of your roster. You're not saying Aaron Glenn's in charge of your roster. He's saying they both report to me. In other words, they have to work together. They are in lockstep now going forward. So yeah, I agree with Chad too. He's not going to be, again, hopefully he's not going to be meddling because he hired two people that are, that are of quality, let them do their jobs.

Chad (21:37.73)
Yeah.

Jasper (21:42.518)
Work together on it, yep.

Jasper (22:01.934)
Superbowl baby, Superbowl. So in my...

Brian (22:04.137)
I'm going to get my jersey. I'm going to get my sweatshirt.

Chad (22:05.486)
Says, kind of has this Kevin Costner draft day vibes. This is what it...

Brian (22:10.718)
Yeah.

Jasper (22:11.522)
Yeah. Yeah. but let's delve it back into Bill Parcells. Cause I had a little look around Google and I found a great clip. Cause after, Barcells ended his coaching career and then came back and did well again and then quit like definitively. He worked for ESPN for a few years. So I found a video where Bill Parcells shares 11 commandments of being a great quarterback. and you know, position our cohost.

Brian says it's the toughest position in all of sports. So, but what does he know? Chat, let's play that bit because I think it's filled with great insights and I'd be curious to get your guys' take on that.

Chad (22:53.364)
I think it's got some comedy too. Here we go.

Jasper (25:03.35)
Win after win is, is he talking about quarterbacks or is he talking about CEOs? Is he talking about managers? Is he talking about high level business executives? It's Hey buddy, you you gotta watch your weight. gotta watch your weight. It's, it's amazing. which one stands out to you guys? Is there anyone, anything that you said that you go well?

Brian (25:04.573)
That was beautiful.

Chad (25:08.354)
Ahem.

Chad (25:11.928)
Yeah.

I'll accept maybe the fat quarterback can't enjoy the rest. I love that. I freaking love that.

Brian (25:20.509)
You can be a CEO and be fat.

Jasper (25:33.25)
That's just pinpoint billboard material.

Chad (25:34.265)
Well. I'll go first, because Brian has the knowledge of definitely playing quarterback at a different level, but mine was really know your team, right? Who's fast, who can catch, who's having problems, who needs who needs motivation, those types of things. And what they're saying is pay attention to your people, right? Know your people. And again, this is what he was saying with with Aaron Glenn. Hey, I know you. You need to be a scout, right? That to me.

Jasper (25:43.182)
You

Chad (26:03.362)
That's the most important piece. then, and then the, don't panic piece. I, when I came back from the military, actually before I went into the military, I was in a VP position and I was actually yanked out of that position from uncle Sam. He put me into a drill sergeant position and I, and I told, I told all of, all of my people, look,

What we do day by day is important, but nobody's gonna die. Somebody goes ape shit on you, take a step back, number one. Number two, take a deep breath. And number three, remind yourself, nobody's gonna die. It's all good. And then get back to work, right? I mean, that's the key. And that was my don't hit the panic button, which is a little bit different than Bill's. I like his, I like his better.

Jasper (26:54.355)
Yeah, he's a comedy genius,

Chad (26:56.931)
Yeah.

Brian (26:57.578)
Yeah, those are the same two I had, Knowing your team. Yeah, I know. Know your team.

Jasper (27:01.782)
A way to add something to the show, Brian. Come on.

Chad (27:04.324)
Give me some stories though. me some like some give me some give me some stories about the not panicking and then also being in a quarterback position in jet jet. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Well, in good.

Jasper (27:12.472)
Don't be a clown in the huddle, Brian. Don't be a clown in the huddle.

Brian (27:14.441)
Yeah, well, I like that one too. I like the clowns can't manage a huddle. That was fantastic. Because again, as a quarterback, you have 10 other guys staring you at the face. Their career is on the line, right? At the college level, they're looking to get drafted. They're looking to put up their numbers at the pro level. Same kind of thing, right? So their career is on the line. This is serious, serious business.

Chad (27:35.96)
Mm-hmm.

Brian (27:41.65)
And you got 10 other alphas looking at you to give them the correct call, the correct assignment, and to not be losing it in times of chaos. That's a big deal. And you got to make decisions within five or 10 seconds. So you make the call as you're walking up from the huddle to the line of scrimmage or into shotgun formation. You got about 10 seconds to evaluate what's happening on the other side of the ball. Know your enemy was one of the ones that Parcel said as well.

Chad (27:53.54)
Mm-hmm.

Brian (28:12.007)
And then you got to decide like right now and you got 80,000 people yelling at you and you're in foreign territory. And so you got to, you got to make that happen. And then you got several of the decisions to make in the next, in the following 10 seconds after that, that's physically do I step up, step back, read the defense who's moving here, who's moving where, where is the primary source of the play going to who's the second, third read option and do I need to run? So all that stuff going on at one time.

Not just anybody can play that position.

Chad (28:44.025)
Well, going through your progressions, right, they were just talking about. And that's the thing is that trying to run parallels with business in. don't know of a sport that is more complex, more physical than NFL football. I love many different sports, right. But I love football because it is so physical.

It is so complex. If you take a look at every single play, there's nothing out there that comes close, even close to how complex a single play is, right? And then being able to take a look at the side of business, know your progressions. It's the exact same thing. If it didn't work, you know what your contingency plan is. And if you don't, what the hell are you doing as a leader? And if your team doesn't?

Jasper (29:26.872)
Yep.

Chad (29:34.68)
What the hell are you doing as a leader? There are progressions. know what the route tree looks like, right? They know all of that stuff.

Brian (29:42.535)
Right, and they practice every play hundreds of times. Hundreds. Right? So, exactly right.

Jasper (29:42.743)
I made a-

Chad (29:46.754)
Yes, reps, reps, reps.

Jasper (29:47.104)
Yeah. Rebs. Yeah. Practice till you can get it wrong. one of the things I wanted to mention is that one of the commandments that I really liked is be the same guy every day. Right. like that's a good one to unpack because consistent leadership is so important. I know, I know of some CEOs that I've spoken to and you, meet the guy and you speak to the guy and you go, it's a friendly guy. And then you just look at him.

Chad (30:00.344)
That's hard.

Jasper (30:13.558)
and like in a different conversation with someone else. And he turns into a different person where he or she turned. And it's like, wait, you were like that with me, but why are you like that with your staff? you're like, treat everyone the same way. And you see CEOs sometimes struggle with that because they feel like they need to put a different face on every, every interaction they have. Like I need to be a certain way with the guy that maybe I hire as a journalist.

but maybe there's a guy that I need to get business from and I'm gonna treat that guy completely different than the other guy. It's gonna catch up on you. I feel like it's always gonna catch up on you because if you're not consistent, people are gonna see right through that.

Brian (30:51.156)
I agree. And I think the difference there when someone who's not consistent as a leader, that person, be it he or she, they are about me versus we. It's a simplistic way to look at it. But if you're constantly focused on the we part, you're going to be consistent. But the fluctuation comes with me. Am I getting what I want? Am I getting what I deserve?

Chad (31:17.497)
Mm-hmm.

Brian (31:17.833)
You know, and just that type of calculation in your head, that's where it's going to fluctuate. That's where you're going to be all over the place. But when you're constantly thinking of wheat, you don't have time for that. You're thinking about the talent that you have. You're about the crisis that you have. You're thinking about the innovators over here that you're trying to incur. You're trying to build more suppliers over there. You're trying to bring on more investors over here. You don't have time to worry about me because you're focused on wheat. Agree or disagree?

Jasper (31:44.972)
Yeah, agreed completely.

Chad (31:46.393)
Yeah, no, I, and there's, there's also a more simple way for, for my brain is like, you don't, you don't lie to people because you got to remember all those lies, right? So you're the same person, right? You got to be the same person. So you tell the truth and it's the same kind of thing. So we literally, and I'm going to pimp, pimp another episode. We just did a favoritism with, for Patrick Mahomes, right? So if you're treating people differently,

Brian (31:57.024)
great point. Great point.

Jasper (31:57.249)
yeah, yeah.

Brian (32:11.367)
Mm-hmm.

Chad (32:15.372)
Right. Again, people are going to pick up on that. You've got to give them you've got to give everybody the harshness they need when they need it. But you also have to be that that somewhat father father figure where you can tell Aaron Glenn or Aaron Glenn that you need to go scout because you're not ready for this yet. Right. And be able to do that when when it's necessary. I mean, that to me is is just key.

Brian (32:43.058)
And what needs to be said to Aaron Glenn, Aaron Rogers right now is, mean, listen, who was it, Chasper you brought up the other day? That his teammates, people who are his teammates, who are his friends say he's not a good leader. And so Aaron Glenn used to say, hey, for the first time in your career, I need you to be a leader for this team. Can you do it? That's the key. He's gonna challenge Aaron Rogers and say, hey, if you're willing to lead and really allow that, and I can guide you with that if you want me to.

Jasper (33:02.348)
With with Yeah

Brian (33:11.153)
But he's got to challenge him to be a different player. can't be the same old diva that he's been.

Jasper (33:17.582)
Brian's just a closet Jets fan who wants Aaron Rodgers to succeed. I think that's, that's the truth of this episode. See? yeah. Yeah, that's it. It helps. Right. One final one I wanted to get to one final commandment, but ignore outside opinions on football matters. It's a very important way, I think, because we, can do that a lot in business. Like I know I've done that in my career where I've taken people's opinions as the truth. And afterwards you look back at it and you go, Hmm.

Brian (33:22.769)
I do like the Jets. I definitely like the Jets now with Aaron Glenn.

Chad (33:26.988)
Yeah.

Brian (33:33.004)
Mmm, that was good.

Jasper (33:47.086)
Well, that was one truth and there's another truth. So which one is true because they both differ quite a lot. And it's like, it's very important, I feel like to get a grip on that. Like who do you take seriously as far as what? Because I know I value my parents' opinion, for example, when I write an article, because I know that if they read it and they say, well, this paragraph is a bit vague and shit. I need to have a look at that because they know what they're reading. But

I can't just send my article to anyone and have their feedback and take it seriously. I had to learn that the hard way because in start of my career, I just took everyone's advice on board. feel like, okay, I'm making a film. I need to get everyone's opinion on this. Well, guess what? Some people are not going to get it. Some people are going to think it's great. And some people are going to think it's absolute garbage. So it's so important, I think, to sort of focus on where you're getting your input from. You know, it may be your team, your peers in similar roles or...

Brian (34:24.574)
Great.

Jasper (34:41.57)
Yeah, those closest to your customers, but you need to be picky when it comes to that because you can't just take advice on from everyone as a matter of just trying to please everyone, right? What's your take on that?

Chad (34:52.409)
Yeah, decision by committee sucks. Decision by committee sucks. You have specific individuals that you can go and talk to for guidance, but to be able to go broad base a lot of times just doesn't make sense. You you want guidance. That's great, but you don't need it from everybody. That is hard, almost impossible to manage.

Brian (34:54.003)
Great point.

Jasper (34:55.437)
Yeah, exactly.

Jasper (35:18.402)
Yeah, that would, yeah. Go on.

Brian (35:18.569)
And yeah, no, I'm sorry. And what he said also was no one else is in the room, right? No one else is in our building. No one else knows what we're doing. No one else is around the CEO. No one else is understanding the day to day. Those people in your Foxhole are so important as to who you hire and who you bring on as your teammates because of that reason. You got to depend on. You all have to trust you're to get the

Honest information, right? You're to get the truth, right? What Chad is talking about. And you're right. It can't be just anybody like you're talking about, Jasper. Your parents have kind of been with you for a long time. They've seen your writing for a long time. They kind of know what you're trying to say and what your voice sounds like. So they've been in the trenches with you with your writing. So it makes sense that they're the ones that are going to be there as part of that team that you turned to. But don't send it to Chad.

Jasper (36:12.046)
No, mean, chat is going to be bored by up to two paragraphs. Yeah, it's too long. it over a child? I'll send something chat and Chad will go. Is it over a hundred words? Nevermind. Yes. Oh, no, don't do that. Oh, yeah. AI tools. Great. One final one. I've just remembered now he says no,

Chad (36:12.26)
You

Brian (36:16.425)
You

Chad (36:16.548)
TLDR, that's too long, I didn't read it, no.

Chad (36:24.9)
If it is, I'm throwing it into chat GPT and asking it to give me a summary.

Brian (36:31.155)
Sorry.

Brian (36:35.268)
Hahaha

Jasper (36:41.334)
Celebrity quarterbacks. And I think what he's trying to say is it's not about you, right? Yeah. Don't be a celebrity quarter. Don't be, if you're a CEO, if you're a manager, don't let it be about you. Don't be this. And you'll see that every now and then where coaches will be there, you know, chest pumping like it's all about me. I've done a great job. There are other people say that it's a great job, but you just focus on your job. I think that's a.

Chad (36:43.31)
Yeah. Aaron Rodgers.

Brian (36:52.84)
Mm-hmm.

Brian (37:05.885)
For me, Cam Newton was a celebrity quarterback and that he wanted so hard, so hard to be that celebrity quarterback that it was all about him. Every time I saw him, his teammates didn't seem to really embrace him. His touchdown celebrations were all about him, all about him, all about him. And he seemed like such an insecure quarterback, which is ironic because he's one of the most talented guys we've ever seen.

Jasper (37:10.274)
Yeah, there's been a few.

Jasper (37:15.395)
Yeah.

Jasper (37:25.378)
All about him, yeah.

Chad (37:34.622)
yeah.

Jasper (37:34.668)
He was a very talented crook back here.

Brian (37:34.749)
Great skill, great ability, amazing. And he seems like a decent dude, but you can see insecurity if you're looking for it.

Jasper (37:43.278)
And I think it's also wise to remember like these quarterbacks come to their pinnacle of their career, what 22, 23 year old guys. It's, I mean, we're asking a lot of those quarterbacks, I think, to stay even keeled, to stay humble, to say like, because you've got everyone telling you, you're the greatest thing since sliced bread, right? You're the best thing in the world. It's so hard to stay even keeled. you need, that's what I think is so important to have that nucleus of people to keep you grounded as well.

Chad (37:56.717)
yes.

Brian (37:58.783)
Mm-hmm.

Jasper (38:12.254)
They can critique your work, but also like if you're doing success and you're being very successful, keep you grounded because clearly we can all see what it happens, what it alludes to when you're not grounded.

Brian (38:12.552)
Yeah.

Chad (38:24.708)
Well, even more important around that, I'm sorry, but you need that assistant staff around you, because you cannot do all of that yourself. And that was the beauty of what Parcells was doing, is he was building strong, strong leadership around him, not just for him, but around him, because you can't do all of that yourself, especially when you're trying to manage an entire football team.

Brian (38:24.893)
Right, and...

Brian (38:51.272)
Yeah, great point by both of you and building off of both those points that you all made. What he's also saying about not being a celebrity quarterback is do make football has to be the priority when it's the priority. You get a month off in the off season, we give you a month off where you can do anything you want. Film all your commercials during that time, do all your publicity stunts during that time, get everything out of the way then because your number one has to be number one or we're not going to win. And that's football.

Chad (39:10.339)
Yep.

Jasper (39:13.39)
Do your stuff.

Chad (39:21.1)
And that's football, baby. That's right. So, listener, another one in the books. We appreciate you being here. We expect to see you next time as well. Talent chasing. Thanks, guys. Really appreciate it, Jasper. I'm sorry, Jets are not gonna win this year. Although, the listeners will win because we will continue to have these great discussions. Thanks, guys. Really appreciate it.

Brian (39:38.023)
Hahaha!

Jasper (39:38.317)
chats.

Jasper (39:43.414)
Way. Go Jets.

Chad (39:46.703)
Later.